Apologist James White Draws Concerns After Holding, Defending Interfaith ‘Dialogue’ at Church With Muslim Imam

Heather Clark of Christian News Network carefully lays out the details of a recent uproar among evangelicals over a dialog between Christian apologist James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries and Yasir Qadhi, Dean of Academic Affairs at the Al-Maghrib Institute.  The event, called “Christians and Muslims: Agreements and Differences,” was held at Grace Bible Church on Jan. 24. On his Facebook page Dr. White stated that he is thankful that Heather Clark “actually quoted from the dialogues, fairly, evenly, and then gave extensive quotes from what I’ve written since then.” See his entire statement below under “Related.”

A well-known Reformed apologist, elder and professional debater is drawing concerns after presenting, and continuing to defend, an interfaith dialogue event at a Mississippi church with a Muslim imam, which he says was meant to help Christians and Muslims engage in conversation and to “get along without compromise.”

Some objectors, while noting that they support dialoguing with and evangelizing Muslims, do not believe that it was proper to give an unconverted Muslim any type of platform during a special event hosted at a church, and feel that many of the imam’s statements should not have gone unchallenged.

“I’m totally in favor of having an accurate view of what they believe,” Andy Woods, the senior pastor of Sugar Land Bible Church in Texas and president of Chafer Theological Seminary in New Mexico, told Christian News Network. “Working out our differences and sitting down and making sure we understand each other is one thing, but giving someone a platform at a church is a different matter.”

THE EVENT

James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries, and Dr. Yasir Qadhi, the Dean of Academic Affairs at the Al-Maghrib Institute, appeared at Grace Bible Church in Olive Branch, Mississippi on Jan. 24 for an unmoderated interfaith discussion called “Christians and Muslims: Agreements and Differences.”

The ticketed Tuesday night event was recorded and posted to YouTube.

“I think the greatest barrier for Christians in reaching out to the Muslim people is fear,” White explained during the discussion. “We have fear in our hearts. It’s based upon ignorance. It’s based upon other things. That’s one of the reasons I wanted to do this.”

“What would it mean if the Muslim people in your neighborhood knew that you loved them, cared about them and prayed for them, and were willing to do anything for them?” he asked. “It would change everything. But unfortunately, that’s not generally how they view us.”

Qadhi said that he believes some Christians view Muslims with mistrust and hatred, and he doesn’t think that it should be that way. He stated that he desires for Christians and Muslims to treat each other with mutual compassion while acknowledging their disagreements.

At the beginning of the event, White said that Qadhi has been a “primary influence” in his studies on the Islamic religion and shared that he “sense[d] in him such a kindred spirit on the other side of the chasm that divides us in regard to our theology and our beliefs.”

He disclosed that he has listened to Qadhi’s material in seeking to understand Islamic beliefs, and at one point, invited Qadhi to critique his presentation on Islam to ensure it accurately represents the Muslim religion.

While also noting that the two disagree on matters of faith, White stressed that the event was not a debate, but rather a dialogue. Therefore, the two-hour discussion was spent mostly discussing and gaining an understanding of Muslim practices and beliefs, at times being contrasted with the Christian perspective.

Topics included explaining the two sects of Islam, the belief that the Koran is the word of God, and the Muslim view that Jesus was a prophet and not divine, nor was He ever crucified.

“Muslims are looking forward to Jesus’ return because when Jesus comes back, we believe His soldiers and His army will be Muslims,” Qadhi also explained to those gathered. “We also believe—and this is in the Hadith or the Sunna of the prophet—that every true Christian will then recognize that they were incorrect [about] the Trinity and then follow Jesus as well.”

During the second hour of the event, Qadhi outlined that Muslims never judge whether or not someone is bound for Heaven or Hell and that they don’t even speak with certainty about themselves. White noted how Christian belief differs from this point of view.

“From the Christian perspective, the only reason that I can have peace with God or confidence of entering into His presence is because I’m in possession of the righteousness of Jesus Christ given to me,” he explained.

“We don’t view ourselves as a group that is somehow better than anybody else. We believe that a Christian is a person who has fled to God for His mercy and recognize that He (Jesus) is the only one that God has given to where His righteousness is perfect in God’s sight … and that’s why I can have peace with Him,” White said.

“This is one of the fundamental differences. We’ll have to agree to disagree from our perspective,” Qadhi replied. “It’s an element of arrogance to say ‘I am going to Heaven and I’m certain about it.’ Rather [we say], ‘I am very hopeful. I am very optimistic.’”

White also explained during the event that he believes it is permissible to have relationships with Muslims as long as they understand his beliefs and his desire for them to be saved. He said that he prays for Qadhi and that he wants him to bow the knee to Christ, and Qadhi acknowledged that he, conversely, desires for White to embrace Islam.

Qadhi said that even if both sides believe the other is on the path to Hell, Christians and Muslims should still come together despite their differences to fight society’s ills.

“Do we have to make this world a living Hell because of that? That’s the question. Let God judge on Judgment Day,” Qadhi said. “… Can’t we be good neighbors together? Can’t we work together for better schools, to minimize crime, to fight against pornography and drugs, to affirm family values?”

“Why must we hate one another in a civil society where coming together will bring about so much potential good?” he asked. “Why can’t we look at what we have in common even as we understand and appreciate and are honest about our differences?”

The following day, White spoke at the Memphis Islamic Center, where similar dialogue about the Muslim and Christian faiths took place, with White—while complimenting Qadhi’s expertise and influence on his studies—explaining concepts such as the Trinity, original sin and the imputation of righteousness through Christ.  Continue reading

Related:

1. James White’s statement on the Christian News Network piece from July 15th on his Facebook timeline (below)

2. Grace Community Church’s response to Brannon Howse on James White’s interfaith dialogue. We’ve included the response for those who’ve been following the story and are aware that when Brannon Howse came out against James White’s interfaith dialogue with Yasir Qadhi, Executive Director of GTY, Phil Johnson, came out in defense of James White, which created a riff between Howse and Johnson that became very public (see Phil Johnson’s response here; Brannon Howse tells his side of the story on Worldview Weekend). So – Brannon wrote a letter to John MacArthur which elicited a response from an elder of the church. (below)

James White’s statement on the Christian News Network piece from July 15th on his timeline:

“This is a pretty good and balanced review. My only question is, why not contact me? It seems others were contacted for comments, but not me. Maybe because the writer already had my responses to almost all of these allegations in various forms? Possible. Anyway, the only things I would have added would have been the ferocity of the denunciations found in Howse and his guests, turning me over to Satan, saying I’m a heretic, etc., and Steve Camp’s accusations of my being a coward, etc. I think the politico-religious nature of much of this criticism (as seen in Howse and Camp) needs to be looked at very, very closely, lest we ignore the fact that some people are trying to make the gospel ‘Merican again.

Oh, one other note: I am soooo thankful that the writer actually quoted from the dialogues, fairly, evenly, and then gave extensive quotes from what I’ve written since then. Also, the article finishes with not only a link to the YouTube video of the first night, but astonishingly, with a time index to the very portion where we speak of what we most want for the other! That was very classy, and very important, for it is the very issue that the non-gospel centered criticisms will continue to miss, and must, by definition.

More from James White on July 15:

“Please let me ask that in the midst of my being “turned over to Satan,” proclaimed a “heretic” and a person who “clearly does not believe in the Word of God,” etc., that in light of what this issue is really all about (adorning the gospel of Jesus Christ and loving those to whom we are called to proclaim the message of salvation) that we respond as best we can, even to outrageous and absurd accusations, with self-control. I would especially like to ask that there be no attacks upon people like Janet Mefferd. I was truly disappointed yesterday, for I felt JM and I had a relationship that lured me into doing a phone interview (those are always dangerous—the person in the studio controls the horizontal and the vertical, which is why I always chuckle when folks say I should call into various programs to take on various people who otherwise would never go one-on-one with me—I know how the media works, and I’ve done radio since I was 16 years of age). I am truly disappointed JM did not ask James Simpson serious, meaningful questions, and I’m even more disappointed that she had an agenda to push with me and she was going to get to it even in the guise of “questions” which were not questions at all. All of that is true. But I ask that we simply pray that instead of more warfare we invest our time in looking for more opportunities to show our love for Christ, for those who need the Good News, and that Christians who have become unduly enamored with political movements and perspectives, at the cost of a radical, life-giving gospel, should come to realize this and change their ways. It is easy to say “Let’s take the high road” but really hard when the accusations are raining down like a monsoon thunderstorm. But we can become distracted in a way that is costly in the long run.

Grace Community Church’s response to Brannon Howse on James White’s interfaith dialogue:

Mr. Howse:

I wanted to send you this email in response to your phone call to Grace Community Church this morning. You should know that Phil Johnson’s public comments on this matter represent the position of the elders of Grace Church. To be clear, that position is most succinctly stated in the following quote:

“We would not sanction a public dialogue with a Muslim Imam, or any other person with an agenda to teach false religion, at Grace Community Church. But neither are we sympathetic to the lynch-mob mentality that seems determined to use a disagreement such as this to discredit years of faithful ministry by Dr. White.”

We would appreciate you not attempting to contact us or involve us further on this matter.

Sincerely,
Chris Hamilton, Elder
Grace Community Church     Source

Added 7/18

3.  Phil Johnson’s statement regarding those who have called him to repent. 7/16/17

4. Brannon Howse responds to Grace To You 7/18/17

(Editor’s note: The inclusion of this story on our site is one we have hesitated to post on Berean Research, for several reasons. This debate has been raging for over a month now, and it’s ugly. It grieves us greatly to see the division and the outright name-calling and manipulation tactics by some Christians over this issue. The last thing we wanted to do was to be a part of the finger-pointing.  We post this story and the related links so that readers can get a grasp of what has happened, but in no way does this mean that we are here to “weigh in,” as several people have demanded we do.

Yes, we have our opinions, and we understand you do as well. Please be respectful in our comments section, and reflect on 2 Timothy 2:22-26 as you post:

So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

(A.S.)

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73 Responses to Apologist James White Draws Concerns After Holding, Defending Interfaith ‘Dialogue’ at Church With Muslim Imam

  1. Q July 17, 2017 at 4:10 pm #

    Headline could have been – “James White Wrong Again: But Gets Support Because Of His Past Defence Of Reformed Theology.”

  2. Manny1962 July 17, 2017 at 4:20 pm #

    This could’ve been done purely as a civil excercise, as Jesus and Paul told us to get along with the world, we are in it, but not of it, we must be civil and curteous to all outside. It doesn’t mean we engage in any “cross-religious” activities. And definitely we must evangelise the lost, which includes Muslims.

  3. Sola Scriptura July 17, 2017 at 4:58 pm #

    Q – you could not have possibly said it any better. Anyone who doesn’t see that he is a wolf needs to dig deeper.

  4. rascott247 July 17, 2017 at 5:08 pm #

    Very true Q. White has deflected all criticism back at anyone daring to question his methods. If you do question his method you will be accused by his back slappers of not wanting to reach out to Muslims with the gospel and putting country before Christ or thinking that the Church is a church building along with other ad hominems and straw man. It is “touch not God’s anointed” without putting it that way.

    White said in the dialogue that he has a “kindred spirit” with Qadhi and that Qadhi honored the guest with his presence. This is the same Qadhi that called Christians and Jews filthy, the same Qadhi that has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and who has the same mentor as Osama bin Laden— Shaykh al-Oudah. Qadhi has been praised by Linda Sarsour and appeared in a conference with her earlier this month.

    I count no less than 10 ministries (most are Reformed) that have called out White for how he handled this dialogue. White’s biggest cheerleader has Dr. Michael Brown (search his name on this site—he has been pronounced to have discredited himself). White need only admit the possibility of poor judgment and choice of words but he has attacked all critics and dug his heels in promising to do more of the same.

    The dialogue was in January but the controversy began a month ago. I have followed it since on twitter, Youtube and radio. If B. Howse turns you off, you can Google or Youtube search the subject if you want other opinions. Try Triablogue blog, Reformed Ministries (Youtube), Megiddo Radio, Janet Mefferd Radio. The debate with Robert Spencer concerning “true Islam” on M. Browns show was particularly interesting.

    • Q July 17, 2017 at 9:15 pm #

      Thanks for the info rascott247,

      He dug his heels in on the doctorate thing and got spanked… I saw what you said about pride, I think you nailed it.

    • Manny1962 July 18, 2017 at 8:57 am #

      Hey RS, thanks for the post. What if instead of a muslim, it would’ve been a satanist? Would he still have “a kindred spirit?” I don’t know anything about James White so I reserved judgement on his teachings, but it seems to me as you and Q pointed out he’s defensive and tinged with a “I know more than you, do as I say” attitude.

      There is NO reason, none, for a Muslim (insert another religion here) and a true follower of Christ to have dialogue regarding religion. Christianity is hated because it’s exclusive and because it judges.

      • rascott247 July 18, 2017 at 9:08 am #

        Manny
        If you are interested in what this is all about I would direct you to search —A Definitive Look at the James White Yasir Qadhi Controversy by Keith Thompson. I saw the magnitude of what was going to happen as soon as I was made aware of the situation. I refuse to interact with the typical White apologist; they are vicious and will not stay on point. I am happy to discuss the situation with rational people. Again the Robert Spenser James White debate on the nature of true Islam is well worth a listen. You can find it on You tube. Spoiler alert: The real Islamic expert won.

        • Manny1962 July 18, 2017 at 1:00 pm #

          Thank you my friend! I’ll research this.

          • Manny1962 July 20, 2017 at 9:32 am #

            http://www.reformedapologeticsministries.com/2017/06/a-definitive-look-at-james-white-and.html

            “A Definitive Look at the James White and Yasir Qadhi Controversy

            By Keith Thompson

            In January, 2017 Christian apologist James White invited Muslim leader Yasir Qadhi to have an inter-faith dialogue meeting at Grace Church in Memphis, TN. White has come under attack for this event for many reasons including: (1) Allowing Qadhi to justify Islam by lying and misleading Christians with demonstrably incorrect claims all unchallenged; (2) Endorsing Qadhi’s dishonest portrait and promotion of “true” Islam as being peaceful even though it is not, and even though Qadhi has recently endorsed, buddied up with and defended terrorists, and even though Qadhi is a member of numerous terrorist and Muslim Brotherhood front groups (as the Holy Land Foundation Trial proves); (3) Having an inter-faith meeting in a church in front of Christians which is unbiblical; (4) Allying with a wicked leader of a false religion like Qadhi which is unbiblical (e.g. calling Qadhi his “mentor,” saying he has a “kindred spirit” with Qadhi, wanting to unite with Qadhi and Muslims against secularism, saying he is honored by Qadhi’s presence, and “fellowshiping” with Qadhi and Muslims as the event banner advertised, etc). In this article I will explain the reasons why these criticisms of White are valid.

            White’s critics include the following Christians and experts in Islam: Keith Thompson of http://www.reformedapologeticsministries.com, Sam Shamoun of http://www.Answering-Islam.org, Anthony Rogers of http://www.Answering-Islam.org, Robert Spencer of http://www.JihadWatch.org, David Wood (on White’s denial Islam is inherently violent) of http://www.AnsweringMuslims.com, Paul Flynn of http://www.megiddoradio.com, Pastor Andy Woods of http://www.andywoodsministries.org, Janet Mefferd of http://www.janetmefferd.com Brannon Howse of http://www.worldviewweekend.com, and Usama Dakdok of http://www.thestraightway.com. Even James Simpson of http://www.theamericanthinker.com has critiqued White on this, as has former FBI counter-terrorism expert John Guandolo of http://www.understandingthethreat.com. Other writers and videographers have chimed in as well. At the end of this article some of the relevant critiques of White from these people will be provided. Thousands of Christians viewing the controversy on the side lines have likewise taken a stand against White for his compromising actions.”

            I suggest all interested in this controversy visit the page.

      • jim July 20, 2017 at 8:39 am #

        Unfortunately Muslims are under the control of Satan also 🙁

        • Manny1962 July 20, 2017 at 9:43 am #

          Amen, Jim. Unfortunately many “Christian leaders” claim Muslims worship our God, they don’t, Allah, according to Islam has no Son. It denies Christ as the only begotten Son of The Father. That in itself is demonic.

          • Manny1962 July 20, 2017 at 9:54 am #

            People are being put to sleep! They forget Islam hates true Christianity, at worst we are infidels to be slaughtered where we stand, at best we are to be perpetual slaves. Don’t forget how many Christian brothers and sisters are being slaughtered in the Middle East today! When was the last time real Christians went on a rampage to kill “infidels?” Never. No, on the contrary, our Lord was killed so many can be saved. I hope Mr.White has the decency to remember and acknowledge those being beheaded for standing up for Jesus Christ today. Maybe he should invite Arab Christian survivors to say their testimony in front of Mr.Qadhi.

          • Manny1962 July 20, 2017 at 10:03 am #

            One more thing, ironically, were are to “save” unbelievers not “slaughter” them! What a contrast! White should be ashamed. Islam denies Christ, he wants to hold hands with them!

          • lyn July 20, 2017 at 10:37 am #

            Is there any examples in the bible of Christ embracing false religions and their leaders and saying nothing? Of course not. James White obviously either doesn’t have a real good grasp on what Islam teaches, or he is part of the move of ecumenism to tie all religions together. I suspect it may be the latter.

          • Manny1962 July 20, 2017 at 1:02 pm #

            Lyn, I so agree with you. The bible says many will turn away from the faith in these last days, people are having a hard time with this. They’re shocked that so called apologists and stalwarts of the faith can fall so hard and fast! Thanks to Rascot I’ve been doing some hard research.

  5. Sheryl July 17, 2017 at 5:46 pm #

    If the esteemed Dr. Michael Brown is the lone wolf defending White, that indicates for a certainty what he did was improper. I’m astounded even at the title – I mean, how can one even suggest there are any “agreements” between Christians and Muslims…or any other false religion?! Its not as if they can be reconciled. They’re completely different. Christianity is exclusive. Period. You either accept its full and complete truth or you don’t. And your rejection of it only proves you’re a goat. And the church is for the assembly of believers to learn the doctrines of Christ, not to be profaned by an anti-christ, as if there’s any common ground. If God chooses to save the imam, He will bring him into the church Himself. Shame on James White!

    • rascott247 July 17, 2017 at 5:49 pm #

      Brown is not alone but was early and prominent in White’s defense. I agree shame on White for the dialogue but his defense is even more shameful—full of pride.

    • Friend July 18, 2017 at 9:18 am #

      Very well said. The Muslims have Mr. white EXACTLY where they want him. I think the phrase “useful idiot” applies to anyone who cozies up to false religions. I thought mr. White had more brains then this; obviously his intellect is getting the better of him.

  6. Darrel July 17, 2017 at 5:51 pm #

    Having been in this battle on another blog for over two weeks, there is a lot more info to be had. It’s good to see such a huge controversy over the unbiblical activities of James White, the “debates” are not an evangelistic tool as espoused by JW but a forum for the lies of the wicked one and his response to his critics is purely ego driven with zero Scriptural support. “For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized [made manifest] among you.” The Dividing Line is being drawn afresh and James White is on the wrong side—again! White continually brushes off any and all Scripture that comes his way from those who would try to help him, cementing his rebellious attitude towards God’s people and the Lord Himself. It’s time for White to choose: James White or Jesus Christ. If White refuses to repent, then may his mouth be shut until he does—Titus 1:10 & 11.

    • rascott247 July 17, 2017 at 6:06 pm #

      Darrel
      You must have read White’s unusual take on 2 John 7-11 where he said it did not apply to Islam since they don’t claim to be Christians. The scripture always backs White because most of us are too stupid to understand what it means. That’s the impression I get.

      • Darrel July 17, 2017 at 8:32 pm #

        I think your impression is quit correct. JW has put himself above Scripture on every level. His credibility is down the drain.

      • jean July 17, 2017 at 8:45 pm #

        Darrel, I agree that Scripture backs Dr. White as he’s the one telling us what it means. Sadly, we can see from the rest of Scripture that God intends for His people to not have close personal relationships with unbelievers. God told Moses not to let their sons take wives from the pagan nations around them and vice versa as they would learn the way of the pagans and stop worshiping God.

  7. jean July 17, 2017 at 8:41 pm #

    My issue is how smitten with Islam Dr. White appears to be both in this dialogue and his podcast over the past 2 years. While I expect Dr. White to be courteous and polite, I was shocked at how fawning he was towards Dr. Qadhi to the point of asking him to critique a video he did on Islam and asking him to make a video for Christians about Islam. When Dr. White said he and Dr. Qadhi had a kindred spirit and later called him his mentor in the hadith, it stuck me that Dr. White is going to convert to Islam. I can’t get anyone to explain to me why a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ need to take a false teacher as his mentor in pagan writings. Nor has anyone provided me with Scriptures showing where God or Jesus told the prophets or apostles to go learn as much about the pagan religion they’re dealing with in order to be more effective in their ministry. What I see in the Old Testament is God telling Moses that the children of Israel aren’t to take pagan wives for their sons nor give their daughter to pagan men lest their children learn the way of the pagan, and turn away from serving God. I also see in the New Testament where we aren’t to be unequally yoked together with unbelievers which is why Dr. White having Dr. Qadhi as his mentor strikes me as troubling as it’s very difficult to have a close relationship [such as your mentor] when your worldviews are so radically different. Something is very wrong with Dr. White, and I think he’s being sucked into the whirlpool called Islam…

    • Sola Scriptura July 17, 2017 at 8:54 pm #

      Dr. White isn’t now and has never been a Christian or a bible believer. He is a pretender and Bible destroyer. I have never heard him preaching the gospel. We are now seeing what he has been hiding. Satan plants his people all over Christendom in order to gain the trust of the masses with lofty “scholarship” and pleasant manners. We love sharp, articulate Bible scholars don’t we? Especially those who trash orthodoxy with science falsely so called as Paul said.
      The initial “tell” with White was the teeny tiny triquetra hidden on an otherwise blank page in his first book. Now why would he slip a small pagan witchcraft symbol into one of his books? That is how these people communicate with each other in case there is any doubt about who he serves.

      • rascott247 July 17, 2017 at 9:08 pm #

        Sola
        I can’t say that I know whether White has ever believed the gospel but what is clear to me is that he is above reproach and thinks he holds the key to not only interpreting scripture but deciding what parts belong and what parts are forgeries. And his Muslim friends use his words to attack the Bible.

      • Amy Spreeman July 18, 2017 at 7:59 am #

        Sola, that is your opinion, and quite a horrible thing to day about White. You are judging his salvation, not his fruit (teaching.)

        • Jason Coyle July 18, 2017 at 8:33 am #

          Agreed, Amy. Further, I’d say that if you’ve never heard Dr. White preach the gospel, then you haven’t listened to much of his preaching.

          I disagree with several of his doctrinal stands, and I’ve taken issue with his behavior on several occasions, but what’s being said in this section is ridiculous and only demonstrates how this whole thing has ceased to be about what actually happened; that’s not reflecting well on anyone.

        • Sola Scriptura July 18, 2017 at 9:36 am #

          I’m basing it on the triquetra and the fact that all he does is argue over the Bible vs. sharing about how the blood of Christ washes away our sins. His embrace of a false religion – Islam, with no concern for the fact that they are unsaved and will burn in hell for eternity, tells me a great deal about what he thinks about the cross. It’s funny – people always claim that Bethel preaches the gospel but without any evidence. Well of course they do! But neither they nor White care about such things.
          Many people far smarter than I who have raised issues with White in the past, point to the fact that he never, ever shares the actual gospel (the life, death and resurrection for our sin) and instead spends his time attacking the KJV with silly, false “scholarly” arguments such as his tortured destruction of Titus 2:13.
          The Bible says we will know a tree by its fruits. I see the fruits so I can know the tree.
          The fruits point to the type of tree and I am glad to point it out publicly. As Romans 16:17-18 says, only in the KJV I will note, we are to MARK false teachers publicly in order to protect the flock.

    • rascott247 July 17, 2017 at 9:07 pm #

      Thank you for speaking up Jean. For years White has attacked former Muslims who have become Christians (and other Christians as well) in defense of Islamists. He is smitten. It’s as if he is asking us to evangelize Muslims while at the same time telling us it’s his turf because we mere Christians don’t know how to talk to Muslims. It’s his way or please don’t try! This is pride!

    • Q July 17, 2017 at 9:09 pm #

      James White doesn’t have a legit doctorate… Shouldn’t call him Dr.

  8. Darrel July 18, 2017 at 8:11 am #

    Several years back I listened to JW on a somewhat regular basis. [You are right, Sola, I’ve never heard him preach the Gospel either.] The last ‘debate’ I heard was where JW either refused or did not have the ability to refute the imam de jour who said that Jesus Christ never claimed to be the Son of God. He stumbled all over himself to find a logical response, but NEVER referred to Scripture. Chalk up another one in the ‘deceit column’ for White. Yet JW wants everyone to think that he is a man of God, lead by the Spirit of God. Would the Holy Spirit leave any believer speechless in the face of such a question that strikes to the heart of the Character and veracity of the Lord Jesus? 1 John 4:1-6 tells us. “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of Antichrist…” The confession must be a positive one—“Yes, Jesus Christ did indeed come in the flesh.” Although not specifically stated in this passage, the implication is that every aspect of Christ, every Character trait (most especially that He is the Son of God) must be part of the ‘confession’ or else it is invalid. Obviously, a “No” answer automatically casts the responder as an antichrist, but so does ambivalence, so does silence, so does skirting the question, because these answers are not the only valid and acceptable response; they are not 100% positive. A real Christian would leap at the opportunity to exalt His Lord by affirming Christ as the Son of God. The fakers would look for any ‘out’ they could find so as not to expose themselves as the frauds that they are. And, yes, this means that James White is a fraud.

    Sola, your boldness is rare and much appreciated. May it please the Lord to embolden others to speak the truth and stand against wicked men who do not love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity—1 Cor.16:22—who are accursed.

    • Sola Scriptura July 18, 2017 at 10:19 am #

      Thanks Darrel. I greatly appreciate it. As we saw in Galatians 2, when Paul took on Peter publicly, neither I nor JW matters. What matters is the truth of Jesus Christ and the gospel that cost him and the Father so much. I am glad to be hated, rejected or whatever if perhaps even one person wakes up to the fact that they aren’t saved or are heading towards apostasy. As Paul said so eloquently, may God be true…and every man a liar. Peace and truth.

      • rascott247 July 18, 2017 at 10:25 am #

        But in Galatians , Peter explained to Paul that he had been in over 160 debates world wide and that nobody was capable of reaching out to the Jews as he and…wait that didn’t happen in Galatians 2… what I am thinking of.. .something current…it will come to me.

  9. Amy Spreeman July 18, 2017 at 9:20 am #

    The inclusion of this story on our site is one we have hesitated to post on Berean Research, for several reasons. This debate has been raging for over a month now, and it’s ugly. It grieves us greatly to see the division and the outright name-calling and manipulation tactics by some Christians over this issue. The last thing we wanted to do was to be a part of the finger-pointing. We post this story and the related links so that readers can get a grasp of what has happened, but in no way does this mean that we are here to “weigh in,” as several people have demanded we do.

    Yes, we have our opinions, and we understand you do as well. Please be respectful in our comments section, and reflect on 2 Timothy 2:22-26 as you post:

    “So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.”

    • rascott247 July 18, 2017 at 9:27 am #

      Fair enough Amy. I ask two questions (and you don’t have to answer). Are the concerns over White valid or made of whole cloth? Did the finger need to be pointed and has the reaction to the finger pointing been balanced or hysterical?

    • Darrel July 18, 2017 at 11:23 am #

      The ‘debate’ that has been ‘raging’ for over a month is because the root and fruit of the originator of it strikes at the very heart of the Gospel, the Word of God, and the Character of the Lord Jesus. If White’s “holding hands with the devil in order to do the Lord’s work” is a valid pursuit for JW then the same holds true for all Christians. In which case dozens, maybe hundreds of verses in the Bible are thus rendered mute, void, and useless as the benchmark for our thoughts, actions, and words.

      It has become the new mantra of those who claim to be “Christian” that it is unbiblical to offend anyone for any reason. This can be found in the Scriptures WHERE? If it is more important to refrain from offending a person because they teach lies (islam) or it is more important to refrain from calling out those who promote said liars (islam) than it is to stand for the truth and veracity of the Lord Jesus and His Word, judge for yourselves. This “can’t we just all get along” gospel of James White has negated the offense of the cross. So has this notion that it is a sin to offend someone else, no matter how they show hatred for the Lord Jesus Christ. If Stephen had that mindset he would have lived to a ripe old age. All the verses that tell us not to offend others speak specifically of brothers, never unbelievers. Is James White a believer? Check the fruit and decide for yourself. [I haven’t found any.] Just because a person says “I’m a Christian” does not make it so—many examples to this are in the NT, start with Judas. When a man habitually excludes the necessity of the new birth, repentance, forgiveness of sins, the bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus and His immanent return, what “gospel” is he preaching? Is it not the one Paul spoke of in Gal. 1:6-9? JW may be fluent in “Christianese” and that is his hook and draw: “Why, a man this knowledgeable about the Bible MUST be a Christian, right?” Not necessarily, and in this case not at all. When confronted with any Scripture (specifically 2 Cor. 6:11-18) that reveals his duplicity JW immediately brushes off all who try to help him see the errors of his ways. Is this the reaction of a humble servant of God (Phil. 2:5-8), one who denies himself and takes up his cross daily (without doing so one CANNOT be a disciple of Christ—Luke 14:27)? Or is it the reaction of a self-centered man, whose allegiance is first and foremost to himself? You decide. Is JW ignorant of the real Gospel? I seriously doubt it. But the real question is this: is JW ashamed of the Son of God, His Word and Gospel? The answer is found in JW’s own words and the lack of them. He is more interested in not offending his new muslim friend than he is in not offending the One he claims to love and serve. Further, how many believers has JW lead down this heretical path, telling them they should go our of their way to befriend a muslim for the sake of evangelism? If JW’s method is so great why haven’t we been treated to the statistics of how many muslims have “accepted Christ as their Savior” under his ministry? Has JW not chided muslims who have left islam after being genuinely born again? Does such a thing not cause genuine offense to a believer, no matter his pre-salvation background? Indeed it does. Maybe a millstone would be in order (Matt. 18:6).

      If JW and all his supporters were one/one hundredth as interested in not offending the Lord Jesus as they are in defending JW and his “ministry” we would not even be having this conversation.

      • lyn July 18, 2017 at 11:31 am #

        Very well said Darrel….I agree with every word. When being offensive and standing your ground concerning Christ and His truth goes ‘out of style’, then it’s time to stop calling oneself a Christian and embrace the flavor of the month religion that fills this earth.

        As I stated, White is pride-filled. We all wrestle with sin, BUT, we should be open to loving rebukes by the brethren and that should lead to repentance. I see none of that with White; what I do see is a braggart, boaster, arrogant man who exalts himself and his wisdom far above others.
        Many who claim to be ‘reformed’ are very haughty, they have ‘head knowledge’ but the heart doesn’t seem to be connected with that.

      • Sheryl July 18, 2017 at 4:03 pm #

        It seems that White has embraced the concept of “the end justifies the means” – a secular slogan practiced much by the pagan world, but is devoid of biblical wisdom.

  10. Joel July 18, 2017 at 9:56 am #

    Dr. Whites view that we shouldn’t fear Muslims baffled me. As a Christian, go and try to live in any Muslim country. In many countries, Christians are being horrifically tortured, raped and slaughtered daily, and at best being treated as sub-humans. In America – Muslims are attempting to give Sharia Law an ever-increasing presence. In many European countries – Sharia Law has a strong foothold. Ever heard of sleeper cells or no go zones where is it dangerous to non-Muslims to enter. Possibly in the near future, that nice neighbor may turn on you in a nanosecond. Maybe we should also dialog with Wiccans, and Satanists, and secular humanists and a host of other religions at our churches. At least many of these are not actively trying to kill us (at least not yet). The American spineless feminists cower to Muslims even though their treatment of women is evil on steroids. Islam has created a deep fear in non-Muslims.

    On the other hand, I don’t see Christians killing Muslims except in self-defense or war situations (with very rare exceptions). Ask the Muslims you dialog with what they think of Israel and the Jewish people. Ask, them if America is the great Satan. Dr. White, get your head out of the sand. Where does this propensity in recent years by many, to make nicey with evil come from. While we should love and pray for Muslims as well as all people, and try to reach them with the true Gospel, don’t check your brains at the door. You may be just a pawn being used to spread anti-Christian evil. Hold fast to the Gospel and not compromise your faith just to get along.

    I am afraid that, just like the progressive gay acceptance in the church, that these platforms for anti-Christian entities only strengthens, promotes and endorses that which grieves God even if the intentions are good. While this naivety may give the appearance of being appealing, caring, and politically correct; it is the perfect Trojan horse weapon for Anti-Christian warfare.

    • rascott247 July 18, 2017 at 10:03 am #

      Joel
      The subject of Muslims in America fearing Christians (which White feels is valid) was asked of White in his interview with Janet Mefferd. Look it up…well worth the listen.

      PS In White’s theology the Church is Israel, and the kingdom is present. No room for Israel as a nation.

      • Manny1962 July 18, 2017 at 1:08 pm #

        RS, White believes in replacement theology???!! Wow!!!!! My friend that’s NAR territory! Kingdom Now!

        • rascott247 July 18, 2017 at 1:21 pm #

          White will not discuss eschatology often. He has very little interest. However he has pointed to the writings of a theologian who he says he lines up well with. He is amillennial meaning there really is no literal kingdom but a spiritual one; no need for the nation of Israel it is a fluke of history.. They allegorize prophecy and the Covenants. Most Kingdom Now are Post-Mil which is an optimistic amillennial and believe things will get better and better through the gospel then Christ will return. A-Mils believe things will get bad but when Christ returns eternity begins—no kingdom.

          Manny as Pre-Mils you and I are in the minority of Christendom!

          • Manny1962 July 18, 2017 at 1:43 pm #

            Well my friend, given how things are shaping and coalescing, we will find out soon enough! I believe pre-mil will be the way. Nonetheless, God is in control not man! Thank God for that! God bless you and yours RS, and may He bless you for your tireless defence of His word! Maranatha!

          • Darrel July 18, 2017 at 2:10 pm #

            Wow! Another heresy to JW’s credit! Since he constantly ignores Scripture, upon what does he base his “ministry” and “credibility”? Himself?

            “… so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him, He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.” Heb. 9:28 I guess that means JW will miss out on this part of the Gospel also.

          • Sheryl July 18, 2017 at 4:33 pm #

            I am thrilled to be in the minority, by the grace of God…one of Jesus’ “few.” As the saying goes, “A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it and the truth is still the truth even if no one believes it.”

            The “few” will instantly disappear from this wicked planet before God pours out His wrath. And that’s the truth!

  11. lyn July 18, 2017 at 10:16 am #

    It seems a fair assessment to say that James White is above rebuke, that he seems pride-filled. Now, isn’t that a sin we all wrestle against? It is alarming to see him get too close to such an evil religion, and not speak out against the errors he witnessed.
    I did listen to the Janet Mefferd show featuring Mr. White and I think it was a testimony to what I stated above.

    In this age of glaring apostasy, we all must be careful what/who we embrace. If it doesn’t line up with God’s word, it must be rejected, as well as the one who speaks falsely.

    Time will tell if Mr. White will go headlong into apostasy, it certainly should not be the desire of any that he do so, and I am certain it isn’t.

    I will say this…..he is one of many on my ‘do not listen to’ list.

    • rascott247 July 18, 2017 at 10:20 am #

      Janet is getting ripped up one side and down the other on twitter (by guess who) for that interview. I pray for her strength. She doesn’t deserve the abuse.

      • lyn July 18, 2017 at 10:30 am #

        I agree Rascott. I thought she was fair in her dealings with White. It’s a shame that so many idolize others like White, who is a fallible sinner like the rest of us.

        I too pray for Janet. She made some very valid points and White seemed very rude often times in his replies, he also seemed to tap dance around a bit.

        • Amy Spreeman July 20, 2017 at 10:42 am #

          I’m seeing Janet do her fair share of ripping. You’ll find those tweets amidst her Scriptural tweets about how Christians are supposed to be Christ-like.

          • lyn July 20, 2017 at 10:54 am #

            Thanks Amy, I will investigate it further.

      • Q July 18, 2017 at 2:21 pm #

        Whie’s followers often rip on those who disagree with him, that seems to be glaring fruit of his ministry also.

  12. Manny1962 July 18, 2017 at 1:11 pm #

    Remember, who will turn on you first? Not the unbelievers, but those that call themselves Christians………….

    People love their rock-star pastors, touch not God’s anointed! I will pray for everyone here, all of you that are fighting for God’s honor and truth.

    • lyn July 19, 2017 at 10:17 am #

      Amen Manny, how true. If you read through Janet Mefferd’s twitter, you will see a glaring example of this.

      May we be able to say as the Apostle did, “I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith”

      • Manny1962 July 19, 2017 at 11:11 am #

        Sister, I see less and less faith being shown by those that name Christ. Much less, reverence for His Name.

        • lyn July 19, 2017 at 11:12 am #

          Sad but true…..truly a sign of the times.

  13. JJ July 19, 2017 at 12:54 am #

    I have listened to Brannon Howse for many years as well as James White. What Brannon has done is horrifying. I went to both to see the truth. Brannan and his show have lied about ministries before. I had thought it was a one off and stayed listing. See Brannon slanders ‘Alan Kurschner’. I read such cruel comments about White that have no substance. We need to reach the Muslim’s even if we are uncomfortable about it. The name calling that the shows has done bears bad fruit. If Branno’s ex-muslim men teach the truth about taqiyya, are they lieing about being Christians? They are causing division within the body to keep the Muslims away from us so they can’t be saved? The attackers never looked at all the information they just wanted ratings like the fake news.

    • rascott247 July 19, 2017 at 4:46 am #

      The situation is pretty far from fake news. That B. Howse brought the situation to the fore front is irrelevant. The facts are in the dialogue videos and JW’s responses themselves. The pointing at Howse is meant to distract from White’s errors. Reaching Muslims with the gospel is not in question. JW’s method of doing so and twisting of scripture to fit his method is. There are many evangelists reaching out to Muslims (many ex-Muslims themselves) and JW has a problem with many of them. He is critical of many Christians and protective of Islamist like Qadhi. This is the issue! Not B. Howse!

      Brannon’s ex-Muslim man (for there is only 1) preaches Christ crucified. Y. Qadhi sat in a church with JW and preached Judas crucified (as fitting a traitor) and Christ as a teacher of Islam and JW said nothing to correct him in the dialogue.

      • lyn July 19, 2017 at 10:13 am #

        “Y. Qadhi sat in a church with JW and preached Judas crucified (as fitting a traitor) and Christ as a teacher of Islam and JW said nothing to correct him in the dialogue.” – THAT is the core issue, yet, White’s ‘fan club’ defend him and divert away from the heart of the matter. How anyone can defend White and attack those who expose him is beyond comprehension. We are never to make an idol out of man, nor are we to follow another man. Christ is our Lord and Savior, He is who we are to follow. God forbid any of us ever think man, any man, is infallible. Yet, White is above rebuke, rather than repent of his atrocities and compromising ways, he just puffs up more and points his finger away from ‘self’ and towards any who dare expose him. Pride truly is an ugly sin and, if left unchecked, will drag the sinner away.

  14. Friend July 19, 2017 at 10:37 am #

    Good article from Culture Watch web…https://billmuehlenberg.com/2017/07/18/islam-sharia-creep-spinning-control/

  15. Amy Spreeman July 20, 2017 at 10:44 am #

    In a few hours I’m shutting off the option for additional comments on this story. Have y’all had your say? Is there anything left that is not covered? Say it now…

  16. rascott247 July 20, 2017 at 10:50 am #

    I will say that any ministry that does not call out JW for what he has done (and he promises to do more) has lost all credibility to call out M. Brown R. Warren, etc. JW’s explanation of 2 John is almost laughable.

  17. Darrel July 20, 2017 at 11:19 am #

    Thanks for the heads up, Amy.

    A final call to repentance to James White and all those who think he has done no wrong. JW has not only promoted islam in a deceitful manner, but has, more importantly, blaspheme the Lord whom he claims to love and serve in the process. Does anyone seriously believe that they can hold hands with the antichrist in order to do the “Lord’s work?” Yes, it is that serious. And yes, a real Christian will repent of such evil.

  18. rascott247 July 20, 2017 at 11:39 am #

    One more thing: I completely understand the difficult situation White has put many people in. He has a lot of friends. He is still wrong about this on many different levels.

  19. Patrick July 20, 2017 at 12:04 pm #

    Probably too late to get responses but….If we were to give the benefit of the doubt to James White on this matter, does the following from the Apostle Paul apply?
    1 Corinthians 9:19-23
    19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

    • rascott247 July 20, 2017 at 12:17 pm #

      It was a mixed audience. So how does JW become like a Muslim and a Christian at the same time? Paul gave detailed instruction of how a local church was to conduct their gathering together in 1 Cor. Part of the defense has been it was not Sunday nor a worship service. That does not pass the smell test to me.

    • lyn July 20, 2017 at 1:17 pm #

      Is Paul implying that we embrace dangerous, dead religions and say NOTHING? Absolutely not. The Apostle went to great lengths to proclaim Christ, something we did not hear from James White concerning his muslim friend.

      May God receive all glory due Him, may His elect stand firm til the end by His power and might. The road ahead is filled with compromise and deceit, only those God has re-birthed and saved will stand til the end.

      • rascott247 July 20, 2017 at 1:32 pm #

        No! Paul is saying that when among the Jews he observed the law and among the gentiles he would eat a ham sandwich and such. Nothing about a kindred spirit with anti-Christ.

  20. JJ July 20, 2017 at 2:00 pm #

    I think Brannon Howse and all that have jumped on the band wagon of attack should repent. James White did give the Gospel. What I have found looking at both sides is that Brannon has twisted the truth. I honestly feel that WVW is no longer a safe place to hear the truth. Having Jimmy DeYoung say James is a heretic and turn him over to satan is just wrong. Is it Biblical that talk radio should have this kinda of authority? Is it ever right that Christians should try and destroy other Christians? We need to be honest and not twist the truth. This is crazy and wrong.

  21. Q July 20, 2017 at 2:01 pm #

    Islam is much more dangerous than many people including Christians realize. It’s not a religion but a political and legal ideology that is not and never will be compatible with western democracy. In fact the entire goal is destroy our society and take away our freedom. When in the minority Islam is all about freedom of speech and rights when in the majority they don’t allow it under penalty of torture, rape and murder all condoned by their God Allah. Where Islam is in majority look at what happens to Christians and the ability to preach or teach the gospel. You are forced into this “religion” by the threat of death and threatened with death if you leave making it a death cult. Jesus said to be wise as serpents and allowing the freedom God has given us to be undermined is not fear of preaching the gospel, as has been suggested, but wisdom. James White is being used in this and not by the God of the bible.

  22. Darrel July 20, 2017 at 3:15 pm #

    Amy,

    I do not understand why you want to close comments on this thread when there are others that are years old on this site and still active. Please help me understand.

  23. Q July 20, 2017 at 6:52 pm #

    Yasir Qadhi is an antichrist who preaches another Jesus and is a supporter of Jihadists. In James White sharing a stage with and him has this promoted Yasir Qadhi, has he become more famous and has this notoriety helped him preach his antichrist message to more people, has he been able to monetize this notoriety in anyway?

    If the answer to any of these question is yes then you have aided an antichrist!

    How can any Christian not see this and know for certain this is sin?

  24. lyn July 22, 2017 at 9:29 am #

    There’s several programs about this at megiddoradio DOT com, namely this one – http://megiddoradio.com/2017/06/26/264-yasir-qadhis-blasphemy-and-james-whites-silence/

    I think the quote from Calvin is very relevant, “A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that God’s truth is attacked and yet would remain silent.”

    • Darrel July 22, 2017 at 10:22 am #

      Indeed, Lyn. “Christian” silence has always baffled me. The question MUST be asked is the silent one really saved?

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