Online discernment ministries — the new lepers

JD Hall wrote a blog post entitled “No More Discernment. Seriously.”  In it he shared that he is tired. Tired of what?  For one thing he’s “tired of seeing the flock of God ripped apart lamb by lamb and limb by limb and be left in a bloody pile of wool for their pastors to find on Sunday morning.”  As I read his graphic description I thought to myself, “Gee, I wish I had said that.”  Oh wait!  I have.  For close to twenty years I’ve reported on, among other things, false teaching in the Church.  I’ve detailed how apostates wormed their way in via magical mystical practices such as contemplative prayerlectio divinaprayer circlesyoga.  Likewise, New Age/New Thought, the cults, the occult and even far-left political ideology (cultural Marxism).  My partner at Berean Research, Amy Spreeman, has been involved in discernment work for over six years. Are we tired?  You betcha!  Will we throw in the towel? Nope.  We’ll continue sounding the alarm as long as the Lord allows.

Discernment is not for the feint of heart, as you will see in JD’s piece.  I urge you to read it in its entirety. And then pray for those of us in ODM — that’s shorthand for “online discernment ministry” a term coined by Emergent Church leaders “and once it’s been slapped upon a given website, it then becomes one of the new lepers,” said the late Ken Silva who was a pioneer in online apologetics and discernment work.

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Photo by Ken Silva, courtesy Apprising Ministries

No More Discernment. Seriously

By JD Hall

I’m so tired.

I’m tired of discernment. I’m tired of polemics. I’m tired of watching the other guys who produce material for Pulpit & Pen report on yet another obvious departure from orthodoxy. I’m tired of seeing the articles and news stories and screenshots and tweets and YouTube videos posted in the infamous Pulpit Bunker.

The president of the SBC is joining Kenneth Copeland at a conference in which their faces are plastered on the advertisement and the slogan is “United As One”? Barf. Seriously, make me gag already. Beth Moore has teamed up with TBN and Lifeway is footing the bill? The three-hundred-and-ninety-second evangelical leader has called the Pope a “brother in Christ” this year? I need a nun to glare at.

I’m tired. I’m tried of seeing it. I’m tired of hearing it. I just want to crawl into the church basement and see how long I can live off of unleavened bread and grape juice and forget the world I’m living in is not only heading downhill at breakneck speed (to quote Spurgeon), but the bobsled has been greased by Michael Brown’s anointing oil and is traveling faster than the preacher’s kid during an altar call. Let me just put on a Tim Hawkins album and curl up in my Hagee prayer shawl and forget this mess exists.

That’s what I want to do.

Thankfully, I have people for this. Like, literally thousands of people who read Pulpit & Pen, send us info (the vast majority of which we could never write about), listen to the program, hang out in our Facebook bunker, send us emails, carrier pigeons, telegrams, you get the point. There is a never-ending reporting of the examples of downgrade and earnest pleas to warn the public. I could drop dead and the heresy parade out in Apostasy Land would keep on trucking. In as excited, totally non-sarcastic voice as I can muster, “Yippee. It never ends.”

If you think you’re tired of reading about it, imagine how we feel writing about it. Another snake handling service? Beth Moore heard God’s voice again? Todd Bentley raised some more dead bodies? Russell Moore is talking about a partnership with Montel Williams to tackle the unjust criminal system (seriously, that one came across our wires just today). Michael Haykin has Karen Swallow Prior come to the Andrew Fuller Center because “she wouldn’t be a research fellow for Russell Moore or work at Liberty University if she was all that bad.” In the mean time, there’s another cultist preaching at Liberty’s convo? Seriously? No, I mean another one. No, another one.

Hey, I have an idea. Let’s see if we can get even more people to hate Pulpit & Pen. No, really. I haven’t had enough death threats this week. I only locked the door twice before I went to bed last night. Obviously, we do this for the popularity. There’s a whole baby-boom of parents naming their kids after me. So let’s expose that famous megachurch pastor with a cult following and see if we can get invited to any more parties than usual. That’s how it works, right? I mean, clearly we do this for the money, even though the only way this could make me rich is if I had a dollar for every time someone called me a “Pharisee” or a “hater.” I’m just waiting for Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary to put me in stained glass next to Rick Warren.

In all seriousness, I met fifty or sixty pulpiteers (listeners to the program or readers of the blog) at Shepherd’s Conference. Folks would come up and say, “I’m a big fan of the website” or “I love your program” and shake my hand or get a picture with me. The next thing the majority of them asked was, “What’s it like being so hated?” Seriously. It’s phenomenal. I live for this. If only I could be characterized as the Grinch who stole Christmas and got gall stones my life would be complete. And if you believe that, I have an expository sermon manuscript from Andy Stanley I’ll sell you.

A Southern Baptist website went down for half a day yesterday and they alleged we did it. I kid you not. Because among other life skills, I am a computer hacker. In truth, the only real violation of their privacy or property is that I apparently live in their head rent free. There are twitter warriors who’ve been in one-party spitting matches with us (we are not that one party) for years. I lost track of the anonymous accounts that troll us. Heck, they made one for wife, who might just be the nicest and most innocent person on the planet. There’s probably a @JDHallsDog by now, in which they tweet about how I make him sleep in the cold and don’t take him to the vet. I can’t say “boo” in the Bunker without screenshots being provided to a certain survivor blogger who turns it into a dramatic blog post about how I hate women and kittens (half true), and how she blogs in one hand and holds onto her broom in the other hand I’ll never know (I kid, I kid). You get the point.

And then, in the midst of my tired stupor, I remember I am tired in other ways. Continue reading

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21 Responses to Online discernment ministries — the new lepers

  1. Glenn E. Chatfield March 17, 2016 at 3:22 pm #

    Excellent article!

    I’ve been doing apologetics work for 40 years, originally starting out trying to reach Mormons (I was a Mormon before I was a Christian), and then JWs when they came to the door. Being in the Chicago area for 17 years I was around when the TV news first began interviewing Willow Creek leaders about their horrid philosophy. The WOF guys on the TV got me studying that.

    By the time I was a Christian for 14 years I was teaching high-school Sunday School and including discernment teaching in every lesson, and even taught about cults (I taught High School SS for 10 years in three different churches as we moved about). I became the “go-to” guy when people had questions about false teachings, or wanted help when meeting JWs or Mormons.

    Then I made the mistake of pointing out that false teachings were invading the churches, and this led to being attacked as a “legalist” or “pharisee.” We later attended a PB church for a couple years where I was asked (as all the men were) to teach from the pulpit. I had the opportunity to do so four times and each time was able to use the assigned passages to teach discernment and even name names of false teachers; which got me in trouble with the leadership because there were some in that assembly who followed such teachers, and they didn’t want to step on toes!

    I was fortunate to be given a 14-week slot for an adult Sunday School session where I taught about cults and major false teachings. And the associate pastor at that church is the one who told me to start a blog; he spent an afternoon with me setting me up!

    It has been a challenge and a blessing to be in the apologetics ministry, but it has also been extremely frustrating to see no end to the false teachings that need to be warned of. We spent 12 years in a street ministry and came across so many false beliefs with supposed Christians that it was so disheartening.

    Do I enjoy warning people about false teachers and cults? NO. But it is a necessary thing to do what we can to defend the real faith against the wolves. Sometimes we can see ourselves as watchmen, but I often see myself more of a sheepdog keeping the wolves away as much as possible.

    My sentiments are expressed so well by JD. Thanks for publishing/linking to that article. It is encouraging.

  2. Richard Rice March 17, 2016 at 5:22 pm #

    All of us who have a passion for Jesus, God’s Word, and His absolute truth, grow weary in the warfare. As a pastor over 30 years, I frequently tire of the name-calling, the seclusion, and the non-stop barrage of wolves. Thankfully, God’s grace sustains us, and every battle scar is a badge of faithfulness to the One who still bears the scars of the cross for us.

  3. Darrel March 17, 2016 at 8:53 pm #

    Thank you JD and the boys for yet another pile of useless garbage from the mouth of one who claims to be able to “discern”. Discern this: every useless word you uttered, JD, was narcissistic to the core, just another cry-baby who lost his bottle of milk, or maybe your diaper is wet—–who cares?!?! Since when is ANYBOBY “called” to discernment? Your priorities are all screwed up. Who is first, your “discernment ministry” or the Lord Jesus Christ? If you think you have “discernment” then you must know that discernment is a gift from the Holy Spirit as described in 1 Cor.12:10. It’s called “discerning of spirits”. Can you look at a person or hear them speak and KNOW beyond the shadow of a doubt whether they are in Christ or just another pretender to the faith?. If your answer is ‘no’ then you have NOT been given the gift of discernment (1 John 4:1-3, also). Since when do the discerning cessationists of our day believe in gifts from the Spirit anyway? IF, and that’s a huge IF, JD and the rest of the complainers here and elsewhere are really called of God then they would be about their Master’s business of PREACHING THE WORD. Gripping and complaining IS NOT a gift or a fruit of the Holy Spirit, but it was the cause for the destruction of the children of Israel in the wilderness.

    I wonder how much gripping and complaining the Lord Jesus did when He was being beaten to a pulp by the Romans at the insistence of His own countrymen? Is it recorded anywhere: ” Please stop! I can’t take any more of this?” If there is any Life in any of you, you should be on your face before the Lord for this selfish, egotistical display of “poor me, I’m not liked by anyone”. This nonsense is an INSULT TO THE LORD WHO DIED FOR YOU, if indeed He does know you at all.

    Why don’t you cry-babies try reading the Word for a change and then you might figure out that all this you bemoan yourselves for is nothing but fire fodder, i.e. no reward for complaining.

    • Glenn E. Chatfield March 18, 2016 at 10:08 am #

      Darrel is a troll and should be blocked.

      • Lyn March 18, 2016 at 7:28 pm #

        Actually, Darrel is a brother in Christ and should not be labeled as a troll. Shame on you for making such a childish accusation. He disagrees with your adherence to the false teaching of ‘free will’, as do I, because it cannot be supported by Scripture. He has called you out on it and you respond by resorting to grade school tactics. How the Lord must be grieved at such behavior. May we all grow and mature in Christ, point out false teachings, and seek to bring God glory by walking as our Lord walked….meek and lowly.

        • Glenn E. Chatfield March 19, 2016 at 10:05 am #

          Lyn,
          Do you even know what an internet troll is?

          Darrel fits the definition and goes from blog to blog telling every Christian running those blogs how apostate and heretical they are, just like he did here (and has done before), with all sorts of personal attacks, as he just did here.

          “Free will” can indeed be supported by Scripture if you mean the free will whether or not to chose to follow Christ. What can’t be supported from Scripture is Augustinianism/Calvinism, but I don’t go telling Calvinists how rotten they are etc as Darrel does with those he disagrees with. He is the one with the “grade school tactics.”

          This one article by JD Hall is all I’ve ever read about him or by him, and I thought he was right on the money. I don’t take sides except for the side of the truth.

          • Darrel March 19, 2016 at 11:31 am #

            “Goes from blog to blog telling every Christian running those blogs how apostate and heretical they are…” And all this time there was one blog I could have gone to in order to find out who is who, why it’s there all along watchman’s bagpipes is it?
            Why don’t you tell us about GRACE, Glenn. What is it? Is it just “unmerited favor” or something more? Oh, wait, you don’t even need to know what grace is because you have your “free-will” and you’ve been “saved” because you chose to be, whether God chose you or not. Classic example of the “other gospel”. I’m surprised you haven’t told your faithful few followers to change their Bibles in Ephesian 2 :8 to read: “For by the choice I’ve made to become a Christ follower I have been saved, through faith in my own ability to pick my god for myself, it was a gift from me to me”. Ridiculous? Yes, but only to those who know the truth, but a logical outcome of the teaching that you spout borne of the hatred you exhibit for an all SOVEREIGN GOD, who has chosen His elect from before the foundation of the world and left the “free-will’ of man COMPLETELY out of the equation.

            It’s no wonder you agree with all that JDH had to say, if you’ve really done your own thing for forty years how can there be any joy in your heart at the prospect of the coming of the Lord? How can you claim to know Him when you mock Him at every turn? To you, He is not on the Throne, your “free-will” resides there, leaving you nothing but a desperate ploy to gather a few well deceived disciples around you that will laud you for your “wisdom and knowledge” and your ability to discern——–none of which you have ever exhibited. Neither has JDH.

            “…just like he did here”. Nice try, Glenn, since you were unsuccessful in your first attempt to have me banned from this site perhaps you think that if you can convince Amy and Marsha that I was “attacking” them then that would get me “banned”. It’s got to be frustrating when people don’t accept your manipulations.

            “And have NO fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but RATHER EXPOSE THEM”. You make that job easy, Glenn, you are so transparent.

      • Lyn March 18, 2016 at 7:31 pm #

        I suppose you disagree with Liz’s comments as well. When will those who profess Christ stop following men, defending them, and uphold Christ alone? Hall is filled with arrogance, his argumentative ways are made well known in the blogosphere/twitter world. Head knowledge without love and compassion, without the heart being involved, is worthless. Instead of taking sides, search out the matter for yourself.

        • Glenn E. Chatfield March 19, 2016 at 11:34 am #

          Darrel,

          I really wish you’d behave more like a believer and cease your lying about me and what I believe. Your ignorance of the subject is astounding.

          • Darrel March 19, 2016 at 12:24 pm #

            When you stop telling lies about the Lord Jesus Christ, His Father, and the Holy Spirit, then I will stop exposing you for the fraud that you are.

            AND NOT BEFORE

          • Glenn E. Chatfield March 19, 2016 at 12:40 pm #

            I am not telling any lies and you have not exposed anything except that I refuse to accept Calvinist teachings. Anti-Calvin beliefs are not lies.

            The lies are by you against me, claiming I believe things that I do not believe and claiming I teach things I do not teach. You are downright bigoted against anyone who refuses to accept Calvinist teachings. This makes you foolish, and I am finished with you — I will not answer a fool according to his folly.

            (As for staying on topic, note in my comment rules I say: Comments are to be in reference to the article — or in response to other comments about the article — . Thanks for proving once again that you misrepresent what I say.)

  4. Tracey Rhoades March 17, 2016 at 9:03 pm #

    Thanks for the great article. I was just told by my neighbor how humble Joel Osteen is. After discussing to her his heretical teachings. NO DISCERNMENT. I was recently kicked out of a Facebook page for pointing out that Nadia Bolz Weber is a transvestite, besides being a false teacher. God had given us a gift of spiritual discernment and yet people reject it. The Body of Christ should be of one mind. Prayerfully hoping that folks would have the scales removed from their eyes before they perish.

  5. Liz March 17, 2016 at 11:19 pm #

    Nothing against you ladies who run this site and all you do in the area of discernment, but you could have picked a better person to champion your thoughts on this.

    Anyone who knows JD Hall very well knows he’s guilty of shredding the sheep in the privacy of his Bunker, in the name of “discernment” then he has the gall to complain that he’s not very popular.

    All we’re called to do is confront heresy with Truth. We’re not called to badger people online, we’re not called to unleash our minions to harass people on social media who are peddling heresy, we’re not called to lampoon or commit character assassinations upon survivor bloggers, we’re not called to drag their tweets and Facebook posts into a secret bunker and viciously gossip about them. No doubt JD Hall is exhausted.

    The battle is the Lord’s. Be faithful. Stand for truth, confront heresy, preach the Gospel in and out of season, and pray, pray, pray for your opponent’s eyes to be opened to the truth. We don’t need to be so vicious. The Lord’s yoke is easy when we do it in HIS strength, not our own.

    God bless.

  6. Darrel March 19, 2016 at 10:28 am #

    Glenn,

    Thanks for the compliment, you did mean it as a compliment, didn’t you?

    This comment is for those who have been duped by you, Glenn, duped into thinking that you actually know what you are talking about, that you have spoken as the oracles of God and that your speech is to believed and not checked out according to the Bible. All this, just because Glenn Chatfield has spoken.

    Having read a little more from your bagpipes blog two things quickly became obvious.
    1) There is nothing there that even remotely glorifies the Lord Jesus, you don’t even have a “category” with His Name on it in any fashion and nothing in your rantings shows you have any interest in lifting up His Name, His Word, His work, His Death or His Resurrection. Why is that Glenn?
    2) It’s all about you, Glenn, what you think and the tacit demand you put on all who read your double speaking nonsense to consider your words just as infallible as the Scriptures——–but of course you deny this, just as you deny saying a lot of things that do not coincide with the Bible.
    You claim to be a “non-Calvinist”, but you also claim to not be “Arminian” or “semi-pelagian”, but you never get around to telling anyone who Christ is, what His demands are upon the human race, nor do you ever speak of repentance, forgiveness, and salvation——–yet you stealthily claim to be a “Christian”. Where’s the fruit of your claim?
    You’ve stated that you firmly believe in the “Sovereignty of God” yet your own speech betrays you because you insist that a man’s “free-will” action/decision is the first step to whatever “salvation” you may be speaking of on any given day. You have also stated that you believe every word of Ephesians chapter one and turn right around with your infallible disclaimer that you just don’t believe like those “Calvinists” do. Here’s the problem with that: if you don’t believe in foreknowledge, predestination, election, etc. then how can you say that you believe in Christ (which belief is no where to be found in any of your words) for Christ was “foreordained before the foundation of the world (1 Peter 1:20). If there is no “election” then Christ is made out to be a liar (Matt. 24:24 & 31; Mark 13:22 & 27; Luke 18:7). Furthermore, the Father is made out to be a liar by these who deny election when He said: “Behold. I lay in Zion a chief corner stone, ELECT, precious…” 1 Peter 2:6. If there be no election, foreknowledge, predestination of God’s chosen ones, then no names have been written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, Rev. 17:8 and Rev. 13:8, and if your name is not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life………………………………

    To dismiss election, the total depravity of man, etc. is to preach “another gospel” with the out come being spelled out in Gal. 1:6-9. If it is “another gospel” then Titus 3:10 & 11 should also be considered: “A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being CONDEMNED of HIMSELF. Such is the case of one who claims to be able to “discern” and yet deceives himself and all those who listen to him/her.

    • Glenn E. Chatfield March 19, 2016 at 10:54 am #

      Darrel,

      If this rant doesn’t prove you to be a troll, nothing will.

      So, If I write about anything it’s as if I consider I have spoken as the oracles of God and that your speech is to believed and not checked out according to the Bible. All this, just because Glenn Chatfield has spoken.. (Of course this has never even been intimated in any of my writings.) The irony of this is that by your many blatherings it seems this is your attitude about yourself.

      So you are the go-to guy, the authority everyone should check with, to determine whether or not my blog glorifies Jesus? So arrogant of you!

      So, because I have no category labeled about “Jesus,” that means I have nothing about him? That proves you’ve read very little on my blog, because the whole blog is about Jesus, and defending the Faith that HE taught.

      Again, you say my writings are all about me and what I think, but I can turn that around back at you because all you do is write about what YOU think.

      Your entire comment about what I do or don’t do on my blog is a bald-face lie – you are violating the command about not bearing false witness.

      Again, you, like so many Calvinists, totally misrepresent what non-Calivinists believe, and label them all as “Arminians” while not even knowing what HE taught, let alone what people like me believe. I consider Calvinists to be my brothers and sisters who are just burdened with excess baggage carried over from Catholicism, while Calvinists like you rail at us as heretics. The other “gospel” is Calvinism, as I have adequately proven here:
      http://watchmansbagpipes.blogspot.com/2013/02/i-am-not-calvinist.html

      And if you are too lazy to read that, let me make a couple points — Nowhere in Scripture will one find the ideology of “Total Depravity.” And I believe in Biblical predestination, not that by Augustine (rehashed by Calvin), as I note in my summary paragraph:

      Here is the summation of what the Bible teaches: God has given everyone on earth the knowledge about Him (Ps. 19:1; Rom. 1:19-20; Job 12:7-8; Acts 14:17; Acts 17:24-28), and the individual is expected to have the ability to understand God (Jer. 9:24). God knew man would sin and therefore predestined a way of salvation through Christ. He predestined that those who would accept Christ by faith would be the elect. He predestined through His foreknowledge, not fore-ordination. And that is where Calvinists go astray – confusing foreknowledge and fore-ordination. They claim that God cannot foreknow what He didn’t fore-ordain, which actually limits God. God is outside of time and sees the end from the beginning, so he KNOWS who will choose to believe rather than forcing people of His choice to believe. God sovereignly gave man the free will to accept or reject Him – and that is what the Bible shows.

      You are the deceiver.

  7. Darrel March 19, 2016 at 12:18 pm #

    Glenn says: “God sovereignly gave man the free will to accept or reject Him-and that is what the Bible show”. Yet you don’t even attempt a Scripture reference for this.

    The Holy Spirit says: “but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die” Gen 2:17
    “There is none righteous, no, not one; there is NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS; there is NONE WHO SEEKS AFTER GOD.” Rom. 3:10 & 11. “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” Rom. 3:18. “And you He made alive who were dead in trespasses and sins” Eph. 2:1 “even when were dead in trespasses and sins, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)” Eph. 2:5. “He came to His own and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, NOR OF THE WILL OF THE FLESH, nor of the WILL OF MAN, but of God.” John 1:11-13. “Do not marvel that I say to you, ‘You must be born again.'” John 3:7. “…And as many as were APPOINTED TO ETERNAL believed.” Acts 13:48.

    Glenn would have people believe that God “looked down the corridors of time” (Glenn’s version of ‘foreknowledge’) and ‘saw’ which of us would choose God—never mind that we are spiritually dead before He regenerates us—–and based on the choice of men, God made His choice and chose those who chose Him. All of this he proudly states (as do all of his fellow Arminians) while providing no Scriptural verses, nor even a hint of such a thing taking place. The Scriptures do tell the precise opposite of this heresy in Rom. 9:9-13. Verses that must be redacted from Glenn’s Bible since he teaches the lie that these verses expose as such.

    When you stop teaching these lies, Glenn, and repent for all to hear and see–since you taught these lies so openly–then there will be cause for joy in heaven. Until then look forward to your lies being exposed. For one who claims to not wish to speak about Calvinism/Arminianism in public, you’ve had a lot to say (see your own words on your blog for confirmation). For one who claims to want to stay “on topic” (again, your own words, your own blog) you sure like to digress in order to make yourself look good in the eyes of those few disciples who have believed your filth.

    • Glenn E. Chatfield March 19, 2016 at 12:22 pm #

      Glenn says: “God sovereignly gave man the free will to accept or reject Him-and that is what the Bible show”. Yet you don’t even attempt a Scripture reference for this.

      How about you find Scripture that DISPROVES IT. Common sense says God gave us the free will, and I DID give many scriptures as proof in that article I linked to. My article proves all of your Calvinism to be lies by the many Scriptures I cited.

      Again I ask you to stop your bearing false witness against me with your libel.

      • Darrel March 19, 2016 at 3:31 pm #

        So now you demand that I begin to “behave like a believer” without explanation. Does this mean that I must apologize to you for exposing you for what you are, capitulate to your beliefs, compromise the Word of God, and deny my Lord because you got your feelings hurt? It’s so very revealing of one’s “Christian” character when the person is more interested in his own “reputation” than he is in defending the faith, the integrity of the Character of the Lord Himself (I’ve lost count on how many times you have falsely accused the Lord of lying by insisting on your fantasy doctrine of man’s “free-will”). There is no need to FALSELY accuse you, all one has to do is read the words you type, which is all I’ve done and which you very well know. “Common sense says God gave us free will…” So nice to know that “common sense” trumps the Word of God, you should include that in a section on your beliefs so everyone will know what you really teach. For those who are taught by you and do not know that the Sovereignty of God is one of His many Attributes and has existed for all eternity and DID NOT come into being because Calvin spoke of it, know that it is not diminished because you, Glenn, have placed your “free-will” above His Supremacy, and by doing so have made yourself out to be god instead of the Triune God.

  8. Wendy March 22, 2016 at 12:56 pm #

    Liz, I totally agree with you. Too bad the bickering has taken over the comments on this.

  9. Susan March 23, 2016 at 4:09 am #

    I like many others, as a lover of and student of God’s word, come to these pages to be aware of what the errors are today and the false teachers to be wary of. I contend for the truth where necessary and have suffered for that. I can easily find out for myself by checking sources whether it is right or just a pet peeve of the authors. I am aware of the doctrinal bent of some writers and behind some of the comments. I know that some hold to a different view to me. I am not calvinist but not armenian and object to labels being put on me by others. I am waiting for the rapture but am not escapist. I love the Lord Jesus and the good news of and about him that it is to be shared with others.

    There are millions of people who have not yet heard the message of salvation freely offered to them. And here are two grown (mature?) men, going back and forth at each other, neither of which will ever move one inch in what he holds to as scriptural. So you are arguing for the sake of arguing and it is not edifying at all.

  10. E. M. October 5, 2016 at 10:26 am #

    I’m with Glen and JD. It’s heart wrenching when you have been in the body of Christ for many years and see what is happening today. The Lord has always had Watchmen to alert the church of danger, and they were always rejected by the majority of the people. We know that this Apostasy must happen so the approved come forward. 1 Corinthians 11:19. It’s not easy being rejected over and over but praise God for the calling. Although we get weary, we will not be forsaken and the Lord will uphold and strengthen us.
    Thanks for a fantastic article and thanks Glen and JD for staying in your calling.

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