James Dobson Reveals Who He Believes Led Donald Trump to Christ


By Marsha West

Donald Trump and Paula White. Photo credit: Christian Today

For many months there has been a lot of speculation over whether or not Donald Trump is an evangelical Christian, as he claims.  During a recent interview with Pastor Michael Anthony of GodFactor.com, Dr. James Dobson remarked that Donald Trump “did accept a relationship with Christ” and that he is a “baby Christian.” Moreover, Dobson said that he knows who the person is that led Trump to Christ.

Not surprisingly there was a big brouhaha over Dobson’s comments.  Inquiring minds wanted to know who that person was.  So to tamp things down a bit Dr. Dobson released the following statement on his website, Dr. James Dobson’s Family Talk:

Only the Lord knows the condition of a person’s heart.  I can only tell you what I’ve heard.  First, Trump appears to be tender to things of the Spirit.  I also hear that Paula White has known Trump for years and that she personally led him to Christ.  Do I know that for sure?  No.  Do I know the details of that alleged conversion?  I can’t say that I do.  But there are many Christian leaders who are serving on a faith advisory committee for Trump in the future.  I am among them.  There are about 25 of us that include Jerry Falwell, Jr., Robert Jeffress, Jack Graham, Ben Carson, James Robison, Michele Bachmann, and many others whom you would probably know.  We’ve all agreed to serve. How will that play out if Trump becomes president?   I don’t know.  It is a good start, I would think.

If anything, this man is a baby Christian who doesn’t have a clue about how believers think, talk and act.  All I can tell you is that we have only two choices, Hillary or Donald.  Hillary scares me to death.  And, if Christians stay home because he isn’t a better candidate, Hillary will run the world for perhaps eight years.  The very thought of that haunts my nights and days.  One thing is sure:  we need to be in prayer for our nation at this time of crisis.

Dr. James Dobson

The faith advisory board Dr. Dobson mentioned in his statement includes Southern Baptist leaders such as Ronnie Floyd, Richard Land, Robert Jeffress and David Jeremiah as well as Word of Faith (WoF) and New Apostolic Reformation heretics. (See the full list here.)  Not surprisingly, pastrix Paula White is also on Trump’s board.

It is no secret that Paula White is a WoF prosperity preacher.  Sad to say that any person that rejects the true Gospel of Christ and embraces WoF’s false health & wealth gospel, as she does, is not a regenerate (born again) Christian.  In fact, those who have bought into WoF beliefs are caught up in a cult.  WoF is not historic orthodox Christianity — not even close!  Its teaching on faith is right out of the New Age playbook:

Faith is a tangible force. This force is released through the spoken word, thus name-it-and-claim-it. When we speak words of faith, power is discharged that will accomplish our desires. Through faith we can have health, wealth, success – anything we want!


Alleged laws of the universe can be manipulated independent of God. Does this mean God is subject to the laws He created? According to word-faith theology, yes. (Source)

In 2012 Ken Silva of Apprising Ministries reported the following on pastrix Paula:

White drives a Mercedes-Benz and flies around the country in a private jet. She lives in a $2.1 million mansion on Tampa’s Bayshore Boulevard and has a Fifth Avenue condo in Trump Tower in New York City. The ministries took in $39.9 million in 2006, according to an audit of Without Walls and Paula White Ministries released in June by an independent Clearwater accounting firm.

About $28.6 million helped promote the church’s programs, conferences and outreach efforts, the audit said. Other expenses covered management and fundraising… White’s salary was not detailed, but her publicist says she has multiple streams of income outside the ministry…

And for his 50th birthday in June, White sent [WoF modalist T.D.] Jakes a black convertible Bentley. It was intended to be a quiet gift, White said, but an overzealous member of Jakes’ ministry shouted out the news at the retail show.

“Some people thought ‘Why would you do that?’ ”White later explained, saying that Jakes is her spiritual father. “I thought, ‘Well, why wouldn’t I?’ That’s not even an option.” (Source)

Silva just described the person who allegedly led Donald Trump to faith in Christ.  And if it’s true that it was Paula White, as Dr. Dobson seems to think, then we can surmise from what we know about this woman, that Donald Trump did not hear the true Gospel of Christ from her.  Sadly, what he heard instead was the false prosperity gospel that saves no one.

I’ll close with a warning from the Apostle Paul:

But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron… 1 Tim. 4:1,2


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61 Responses to James Dobson Reveals Who He Believes Led Donald Trump to Christ

  1. Rose July 1, 2016 at 3:01 pm #

    Dobson: “If anything, this man is a baby Christian who doesn’t have a clue about how believers think, talk and act.”

    Huh? Doesn’t have a clue? If he has no clue about how believers are to think, talk, and act? Sorry, but I don’t think anything happened to him. The Bible says we are new creatures in Christ with new desires…His desires. The Holy Spirit dwells within us. We can’t help but want to please Him….we can’t help but be troubled by our sin and want to be rid of it. At the very least, this baby Christian would be humbled by the realization of the wretchedness of his sin and the cost that was paid to save him. No clue? I just don’t buy it. If he got truly saved, we would see some evidence…like getting out of the business of casino gambling and strip clubs maybe?

    Dobson: “All I can tell you is that we have only two choices, Hillary or Donald. Hillary scares me to death. And, if Christians stay home because he isn’t a better candidate, Hillary will run the world for perhaps eight years.”

    Correction. We did have a better choice. We had a godly man, Ted Cruz, who was strongly pro-life, pro-marriage, pro-Bible and the evangelicals rejected him. God is just giving us the choice we deserve.

    • Pam July 26, 2016 at 2:16 pm #

      Don’t be so legalistic, people grow and mature in different ways. Only God knows his heart. Mr. Dobson’s words ” his heart is tender are key!

  2. Manny1962 July 1, 2016 at 3:21 pm #

    To be frank, wether the Donald is a Christian or not won’t matter. The fact that all theses wolves have sorrounded him and are staking some sort of claim on the man is creepy! As a bible believing, follower of Jesus Christ, I shudder at having any sort of dealings with the list of well known heretics listed above. Dobson and crew are looking for their 15 minutes of political fame as Falwell loved to do back in the 80s. All of this reeks of apostates reaching out to politics, nothing new, dominionists looking for a bed to lay on.

    This is called the error of politicizing Christianity! They’re mutually exclusive!

    • gregory anderson May 31, 2017 at 8:02 pm #

      Amen. Heretics abound, and when folks like Dobson side with them about spiritual matters it illustrates where he himself stands regarding the faith once for all delivered unto the saints.

      Dobson and his “equals” in the Christian Arena so disgust me that I cannot believe they claim to obey the commands of Jesus while buying into a completely worldly paradigm regarding wealth, political partisanship, and so much more.

      My mother has a phrase she uses regarding horse evacuations: phshaw!

  3. Lyn July 2, 2016 at 12:13 am #

    Not sure why any of this circus is even considered newsworthy. This whole fiasco is motivated by the need for votes/support of the evangely-fish con artists. For those that have been paying attention, but not really caring, Trump has surrounded himself with a whole pack of wolves labeling themselves as ‘evangelical’.
    America doesn’t need a new ‘president’, America needs a man who trembles at God’s word, who is empowered by the Spirit, who has truly been called by God to proclaim His truth. The call to this nation should be ‘repent and believe in the Gospel’. Instead, it’s ‘accept Jesus’, ‘invite Him into your little heart’, make your decision for Christ’, or some other stupid man made method like playing ‘just as I am’ repeatedly while heads are bowed and eyes are closed – then when the emotions have been played upon, sinners can come forward to be ‘saved’. Tally up those numbers and boast of how many got ‘saved’ at your church!

    Pathetic, just pathetic. That is American Christianity – praise be to God there is a remnant, a true blood bought, born from above, elect group of people from every tribe, tongue and nation that make up Christ’s church. It doesn’t involve organized religion, rituals, etc. It involves the work of the triune God as HE calls, draws, regenerates and saves those HE has elected unto life. Soon this dog and pony show will all be over, Christ will come and shut down this hideous thing most call ‘evangelical’ in America. How sad is it that we have the most access to God’s word, and yet, we are the most biblical illiterate nation on earth!!

  4. Manny1962 July 2, 2016 at 11:31 am #

    Amen sister! Rightly said. The irony you have so succinctly pointed out is the one that hurts the most, no country has had the access to the gospels as this country has, but the utter ignorance when it comes to the word of God is beyond shocking! Ask any anyone about the current state of entertainment, they can give you the stats on football, baseball, basketball, or the Kardashians, Hollywood’s dribble………….ask any meaningful thing about the word of God and you get glazed over eyes! I’m always warning people about politicizing Christianity, as it has become the hallmark of dominionists everywhere. And this is what we are seeing! The Falwell inspired Moral Majority of the 80s has morphed into Kingdom Now adherents of the new century! Both as insipid and false as the other.
    Place no trust in man! You will be disappointed! The Donald will not, cannot, do a thing for the true invisible church! Remember, come the man of sin, the world will not be irreligious, on the contrary, it will be super religious! A religion named Mystery Babylon! Comprised of those listed above, Romanism, Hinduism, Islam and all the “isms” found in the East! Christianity and politics are mutually exclusive!

  5. Robert E. Schoenle July 2, 2016 at 12:59 pm #

    I would like it to be known that I am not seeking the election of the second coming of Billy Graham for POTUSA. I am seeking the election of a leader who has the best interests of America at heart. I am not a mind reader. I do not know who is saved and who is not saved. I am not to judge in that way. What I am to judge, however, are the teachings of professing Christians because I have the Holy Scriptures of God to do so with. Therefore, I am completely in support of Donald J. Trump as POTUSA!

    I would also like it to be known that I have been following politics since the 1952 presidential election as an 11 year old boy. I was a Goldwater conservative in 1963 and 1964. In all these years I have NEVER seen a candidate for POTUSA vilified in such a way as Trump has been by the mainstream media, the leadership of both political parties or by leaders of foreign nations such as China, Mexico, Canada, Europe and England. I marvel at how ‘thinking’ Americans don’t wonder WHY this is so? Then again, we currently live in a non-thinking nation populated by a majority of non-thinking people so I really should not be so surprised.

    I became a born-again Christian in May 1973. You may read my testimony, “From Hopeless To Hopeful!” posted by the Potpourri heading at http://www.endtimewarnings.net. I am including this bit of information for all of those who might like to challenge my support for Trump. I became a Christian through Bible prophecy and the Rapture has been my obsession for the past 41 years. I am well aware of what is soon to take place and am quite excited about it all.

    As to the coming POTUSA election. There is an excellent chance it will not even take place this November. All it will take is an act, whether natural or manmade or supernaturally, serious enough to warrant King Obama to implement ‘martial law’ and America as we have known her will be history.

    As for the candidates and the political parties they represent, evidently most ‘professing’ Christians have forgotten that God has been removed from the Democratic platform. So all you godly people have no choice but to vote for the Republican candidate no matter who he/she might be.

    Because she is such a flawed candidate, I expect Hilliary to be replaced by Joe Biden at the Democratic Convention. Whether she is or isn’t is irrelevant. Politically speaking, Trump is the last hope for America whether you like it or not. In the meantime, maranatha!

    • Manny1962 May 31, 2017 at 9:26 pm #

      “Politically speaking, Trump is the last hope for America whether you like it or not. ”

      So much for Trump being the last hope for America. The last hope for America and any other country is God. Trump has shown his cards, he’s no different than the rest, different label that’s all, not as overt as a Clinton, but he’s made a 180 degree turn on his campaign “promises.” He turned against Russia, wagged the dog with Korea and is following diligently his master’s orders. There’s no left and right political spectrum, collusion, graft, deep state overlords, compromised FBI, CIA, public privacy breached, a compliant press, that is what rules over us, not the Constitution not the rule of law. The only country with a covenant with God is Israel, no one else. Want to know what will happen and how it ends? Read Revelation.

  6. Lyn July 2, 2016 at 3:46 pm #

    “Politically speaking, Trump is the last hope for America whether you like it or not.” – How so?

    America doesn’t need the right politician in office. Read your bibles! Things will get worse and worse – and they are – right before the second coming of Christ. Don’t expect America to be prosperous and strong for much longer. God raises nations up and He brings them down, America is a godless, wicked vile nation that murders over 4000 babies a day, that makes it legal for sodomites to marry and blaspheme God’s design for marriage and family. America is a nation that is filled with idolatry, including the love of ‘self’. Why do so many want to hang on to what is clearly passing away? Because they do not have a heavenly mindset. They do not see past their own selfish desires. Wake up! America is presently under God’s wrath of abandonment, He has turned this nation over to what it loves -sin of every kind. Let go of what is perishing and cleave to Christ alone. Stop thinking a mortal man can ‘fix’ what’s wrong with the world! Most of all….. READ YOUR BIBLES!

    • Robert E. Schoenle July 2, 2016 at 4:53 pm #

      First of all, Trump is NOT a politician. Second of all, SOMEONE is going to be the POTUSA. You and everyone else are going to have to choose who will lead America in these last days that precede the Rapture and afterward the 2nd Advent by voting. Third of all, I cannot imagine anyone thinking that any man/woman is going to be able to ‘fix’ all that is wrong in America and in the world. This POTUSA election is about choosing a leader who might help put America back on a road pleasing to God. I am thinking that there might be too many people who are so ‘spiritually’ minded that they are no earthly good. I don’t want to be one of those people. Therefore, my vote is for Trump in 2016. I hope yours will be too!

      • Lyn July 2, 2016 at 5:03 pm #

        This is where you error, “This POTUSA election is about choosing a leader who might help put America back on a road pleasing to God”. Neither candidate has the things of God at their best interest – they can’t because neither are born from above by God. With that said, how can an unregenerate sinner lead a godless nation back to the God they hate and rebel against. Simply put, it isn’t going to happen. Where does the Bible say we should put our hope in a president, especially during these last days? You are adding to God’s word something it simply doesn’t say. Vote for Trump, and when he continues to do as all prior to him have done, you will see what a fool you are.

        I am a sojourner here, on a journey to a better country. My only concern is to speak of Christ and His gospel, to warn of impending wrath, and to await His coming. I could care less what joker sits in the oval office – they are all minions of Satan, who is the ruler of this world.

        • Robert E. Schoenle July 2, 2016 at 8:27 pm #

          Wow! I am guessing that you have NEVER voted for a POTUSA candidate. If true, shame on you. Millions of men and women died so you might have a say as to who would lead the greatest nation in the history of the world.

          I would like for you to tell me who was the last POTUSA who was ‘born from above’ by God? Did you vote for that person? If not, why not? Those who abdicate their responsibility to vote leave an open field for the unregenerate to determine who will lead them.

          Do you think anyone other than President Harry Truman would have recognized the nation of Israel as a sovereign nation on May 14, 1948? I guess the fact that I am not as holy as you is why I am unable to understand you or your kind of reasoning. Praise the Lord for that!

          • Lyn July 2, 2016 at 8:42 pm #

            Shame on you for claiming to be a Christian and yet, defying God’s word concerning trusting no man and placing your ‘hope’ for a better temporal life.
            As for the slam concerning my ‘holiness’, what a childish tactic. Again, the shame is on you.
            “Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.” Psalm 146:3
            ” And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.” 1 John 5:19 Yet, you assume Trump will usher in a ‘better America’. You want the comforts of this life? Do you want to be prosperous? What is your reasoning for casting a vote for Trump?

            So, I owe my freedom to mortal beings? Rather, isn’t it God who gets credit?
            BTW, ALL previous leaders were unregenerate, so your accusation -“Those who abdicate their responsibility to vote leave an open field for the unregenerate to determine who will lead them” – is meaningless.

            You’d better hope you are born again by God, that should be your greatest concern, and NOT who should be our next ‘leader’.

            One last thing, where is the biblical mandate that states we MUST vote? Chapter and verse please….

          • Darrel July 2, 2016 at 8:52 pm #

            First of all, Harry Truman was a mason and that disqualifies him from being a born again Christian as is the case of most our the presidents beginning with Washington. Secondly, America is not, not ever has been a “Christian nation” as it was founded by mostly godless men that history has made out to be “Christian.” Thirdly, our national leaders have long ago abdicated their responsibility to us as is evident from keeping up with current events. Lastly, no real Christian in his right mind would want anything to do with politics, in the USA or anywhere else, nor is there even a hint in Scripture that we are supposed to seek an office. To the contrary, we are to steer clear of it. It is sad that you are unable to see that all this nonsense is nothing but an ego trip for all concerned. No one has the nation’s best interest at heart, no matter who is telling that lie today. You have believed the lies of your evangelical Pulpit Jackals that want to make merchandise of you and you love to have it so. Enjoy yourself, this is as good as it will ever get for you unless you repent.

      • Pam July 26, 2016 at 2:31 pm #

        Amen! I agree with you and I trust God to work this out as he sees fit. I am not going to not vote. God gave me this birth right as a American citizen. People died for me, first a foremost Jesus, then all the Patriots and military who have fought and died so I could be free. God is leading me toward Mr. Trump!

    • Robyn Bray July 29, 2016 at 1:35 pm #

      Obama was a more vilified candidate. Hillary saw to that when they were both running for the 2008 vote. Most of what she said was not true. Certainly not provable. There is enough to disagree on without slander and lies.

      Trump’s “sins” are public and we witness them ourselves. His prejudice, warmongering, ear tickling speeches. His vile conversation and profanity. His anti-Christ values… the complete opposite of Jesus’ teaching and example. Even if Trump is a “baby Christian, at his best he’d be like Peter, cutting off the ear of an innocent man, hot headed, denying Christ when being a Christian is not convenient.

  7. Lyn July 2, 2016 at 8:49 pm #

    This is from John Newton, the writer of ‘amazing grace’…

    My dear sir, my prayer to God for you is—that He may induce you to employ the talents He has given you, in pointing out sin as the great cause and source of every existing evil; and to engage those who love and fear Him, (instead of wasting time in political speculations, for which very few of them are competent,) to sigh and cry for our abounding abominations, and to stand in the breach, by prayer, that God’s wrath may yet be averted, and our national mercies prolonged! This, I think, is true patriotism—the best way in which people in private life may serve their country.

    The whole system of my politics is summed up in this one verse, “The Lord reigns! Let the nations tremble!” Psalm 99:1
    The times look awfully dark indeed; and as the clouds grow thicker — the stupidity of the nation seems proportionally to increase. If the Lord had not a remnant here, I would have very formidable apprehensions. But He loves His redeemed children; some are sighing and mourning before Him, and I am sure He hears their sighs, and sees their tears. I trust there is mercy in store for us at the bottom; but I expect a shaking time before things get into a right channel — before we are humbled, and are taught to give Him the glory.

    The state of the nation, the state of the churches — both are deplorable! Those who should be praying — are disputing and fighting among themselves! Alas! how many professors are more concerned for the mistakes of government — than for their own sins!
    “Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns!” Revelation 19:6

    From John Newton

    • Robert E. Schoenle July 2, 2016 at 9:17 pm #

      There is nothing like judgmental, religious people. Those who have stated their viewpoints on this post have simply confirmed that statement. The day AFTER the Rapture is going to be one of great disappointment and horror for a multitude of ‘professing’ Christians (Mt. 25:1-13).

  8. Faith July 2, 2016 at 9:57 pm #

    If Trump were to fall for one of the false gospels, the false prosperity ‘health and wealth,’ ‘name it and claim it’ gospel would be the best bet.

    “Therefore, since you have been raised with Christ, strive for the things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.…” Colossians 3; 1-3

    I cannot condone any of these candidates as that would make me guilty, abstaining from such a vote would absolve me of any guilt in this so my hands are washed of it.
    You are all free to do what you want, I’m not judging you so retain your own judgments as well.

    For me, this tango is over!

    God bless.

    • Lyn July 2, 2016 at 10:29 pm #

      there’s nothing like fake, phony men who claim to be something they aren’t, pushing their own ‘agenda’, then attacking God’s elect with false accusations and innuendos. May God have mercy on you. As Darrel stated, you are a false prophet, the likes of Camping and many others who dared to make such a claim.
      “If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him” (Deut. 18:22). You, in turn, should be very afraid. God will deal with you accordingly

  9. Darrel July 2, 2016 at 10:02 pm #


    After viewing your web site and reading where you said you were not a prophet, but then proceeded to prophesy many events with their corresponding dates it strains your credibility to be anything short of a nut case. So is Oct. 2, 2016 the day of the rapture or not, you were unclear (afraid?) to state so outright. What you did do was to prophesy the “Second Advent” to be on Sept. 23, 2023. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to subtract 7 from 2023 and come up with 2016. At least have the guts to be a real false prophet and say that the rapture will occur on 10/2/2016, then we won’t feel so bad to put you in the same trash heap as Harold Camping and the others who tried to tell Jesus when He will rapture His Bride. I see also that you prophesied that the EU will play a big role in the upcoming kingdom of the antichrist. OOPS Looks like the EU may not be with much longer, Quick, scrub that one so no one will find out you don’t have a clue as to what you are talking about.

    Just another false prophet, going about to deceive those who want to be deceived.

    • Robert E. Schoenle July 3, 2016 at 2:07 am #

      I have been dealing with people like you for decades. People who cannot properly read or comprehend what they are reading. People who take what they read in the Scriptures out of context and end up with a pretext. How could anyone ask whether I am saying the Rapture will take place on October 2, 2016 when it is the very first thing you see on my web site. What is wrong with people like you?

      Before you read anything of what I have written, you must first read the six declarations said by the Lord Jesus. Why does that have zero impact upon you? Are you that weak minded or don’t you believe EVERYTHING the Lord Jesus said? Evidently, you have not taken the time to read the two titled pieces from which the synopsis of future events is based upon. That does not surprise me either. Those who don’t are too lazy, like you, to do so because they, like you, are non-thinkers and care little to know much about the truth.

      You should know that your insults and snide comments do not bother me in the least. I have been receiving them for many years by other biblically ignorant, professing, Christians. By the way, the Greek word for ‘hope’ in Titus 2:13 means: “Confident expectation.” Therefore, I have a confident expectation that the Rapture WILL take place on October 2, 2016. I expect that those who are asleep, like you, will wake-up sometime during this coming September (Mt. 25:1-13). In the meantime, maranatha!

      • Darrel July 3, 2016 at 8:06 am #

        I asked the question to corner you and make you man-up and say it, you couldn’t pass the opportunity to flatter yourself.
        “I have been dealing with people like you for decades…” No, you’ve been lying to everyone you speak to for decades. For the record, you have conveniently left out Mark 13:32 from your list of things that Jesus said. It means nothing to you that the Son of God said that He did not know the day or the hour, only His Father knew.
        Your efforts to transfer your own guilt onto me (and others) is laughable and a typical ploy of your wicked father, the devil. Funny how the very things you accuse those who rightly oppose you of doing are the very things that you do yourself. Everyone can see it but you. Perhaps you are one of the ones that God has blinded on purpose, hardened your heart on purpose, and left you to your own devises on purpose——all to fill up your own sin. May He see fit to break you.

        What will you do on Oct. 3, 2016 when you wake up in the same old mess you are in now?

        • Robert E. Schoenle July 3, 2016 at 12:38 pm #

          Why not believe what the Lord Jesus Christ said?

          1. “ . . . for there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed; and hidden, that shall not be known.” (Mt. 10:26)

          2. “For there is nothing hidden, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come [to light].”
          (Mk. 4:22)

          3. “But take heed; behold, I have foretold you all things.” (Mk. 13:23)

          4. “For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hidden, that shall not be known and come [to light].”
          (Lk. 8:17)

          5. “For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hidden, that shall not be known.” (Lk. 12:2)

          6. “ . . . I spoke openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, where the Jews always resort;
          and in secret have I said nothing.” (Jn. 18:20)

          “ . . . the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” (Rev. 19:10b)

        • Robert E. Schoenle July 3, 2016 at 12:50 pm #

          The two most well-known Bible verses, by both believers and nonbelievers alike, seem to be Matthew 24:36 and Mark 13:32-33. These are the Scripture verses from which all will quote to support their belief that no one may know the day or the hour when either the Rapture or the Second Coming [2nd Advent] will take place. These verses are part of what the Lord Jesus answered when asked, “And what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled” (Mt. 24:3f))? The ‘all these things’ included what He had described would take place prior to and including His Second Coming [2nd Advent] to earth (Mt. 24:4b-35; Mk. 13:5b-31; Lk. 21:8b-33).

          A composite of His response to this question was, “But of that day and (Mt. 24:36a; Mk. 13:32a) that (Mk. 13:32b) hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels (Mt. 24:36b; Mk. 13:32c) of heaven (Mt. 24:36c), who are in heaven, neither the son (Mk. 13:32d), but (Mt. 24:36d; Mk. 13:32e) the Father (Mk. 13:32f), my Father only (Mt. 24:36e). Take heed, watch and pray; for ye know not when the time is” (Mk. 13:33). This composite of His answer to the fourth question asked of Him by Peter, James, John, and Andrew is part of what is now known as the Olivet Discourse of Christ, portions of which are recorded in the three synoptic [historical] gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke (Mt. 24:3-26:2; Mk. 13:3-37; Lk. 21:7-36).

          As was the custom, in the espousement stage of a Jewish marriage, no one but the father of the bridegroom knew when he would send his son to go for his bride. Thus, the Lord Jesus did not know when He would return for His bride [the church] (Jn. 14:1-3) when He was asked this question. However, just as the Jewish bride, who loved her bridegroom, would begin to count the days at the start of their espousement stage, the ‘bride of Christ’ is expected to do the same.

          The Scriptures are clear that the day of the Rapture would be known (Heb. 10:25). This is why the apostle Paul wrote to the believers in the city of Thessalonica, after telling them of the Rapture (1 Th. 4:13-18), “But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child, and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all [sons] of light, and [sons] of the day; we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore, let us not sleep, as do others, but let us watch and be [sober-minded]” (1 Th. 5:1-6). Watch for what? The Rapture, of course!

          There have been those who have applied the Parable of the Ten Virgins (Mt. 25:1-13) to the nation of Israel and to the Jewish people. Thus, they teach that the ‘virgins’ in this parable represent ‘saved’ and ‘unsaved’ Jews. The reason why this cannot be true is that the nation of Israel and her people have never been identified, symbolically, in the Scriptures as virgins! Israel is described as the unfaithful and adulterous wife of Jehovah (Isa. 54:5; Jer. 3:20; Hos. 2:2, 7, 16- 23). The Church, in contrast, is referred to as a ‘virgin espoused to Christ’ (2 Cor. 11:2).

          The Parable of Ten Virgins is part of the answer given by the Lord Jesus to the fourth question asked of Him by His four disciples in what is now known as His Olivet Discourse. The question is, “And what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled” (Mk. 13:4b)? His answer to this question was that the Rapture will be the sign His disciples asked to know!

          • Darrel July 3, 2016 at 3:40 pm #

            You will find few to be sympathetic with your heresies.
            You will have to answer to the Judge for making merchandise of the people of God, for lying to them and doing it in the name of God.
            You will have to give account of your mockery of the Lord Jesus, the twisting of His words to suit your own ego.
            You will also be required to explain how your decades of teaching (false teaching that sets a date for the Rapture/Return of Christ) should not be deemed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, for it was He who wrote the Scripture you twist to your own destruction, and it was He who warned against the very thing you are doing and it is He that you have insulted with this heresy, not to mention the insult to the Lord Jesus Christ and His Father. Then there is the fact that you expect people to believe that the Holy Spirit “gave” you this teaching that is in direct opposition to the Word of God, even the Scriptures you gave as your “proof texts” (your infamous six verses) because most, if not all of these verses are referring to false prophets such as yourself and have nothing to do with the rapture and/or the second coming.

            It is your own words that will condemn you, your own private interpretation of the Scriptures whose end is only to make you, Robert, some sort of modern day spokesman for God in the eyes of the gullible and naïve, those hungry for the god of their own making and not their Creator.

            May the Lord see fit to break you—soon. Luke 20:18.

  10. Manny1962 July 2, 2016 at 10:16 pm #

    Robert, Christianity and politics are mutually exclusive! You cannot have it both ways! Politics in bed with Churchianity will not usher in God’s kingdom! Your premise is in error! We are not commanded anywhere in the bible that we must partake of the world system! If you’re going to blame the Church of Jesus Christ for the demise of this country, it’s culture, and it’s politicians, then you will have to blame Paul and the apostles for not “saving” Rome’s culture, Senate or Caesar! That was never a mandate for the church, our mandate is clear! Preach the Gospels, admonish believers, priclaim Jesus to the nations, live a godly life to shame the enemies of the cross, pray, read the bible, and NEVER EVER violate our conscience or the conscience of a fellow believer! Nowhere in the bible are Chrisians admonished to vote or follow any party! That is up to each individual person to judge for themselves if they want to partake of the system! Your premise that church will be held accountable for not agreeing to support the lesser evil is utter heresy! Where does scripture command we must support any evil! Did Paul say to support Caesar! Or the Senate? Did Paul tell first century believers to run for the Imperial Senate in order to make it more bearable for fellow Christians in an antichristian society? This where the obsession with politicized Christianity has its roots, in those that believe the church has superseded Israel in God’s covenant with that nation, something that is heretical and no where to be found in scripture, something that the acolytes of Rome believe and follow! One of the reasons ecumenism has taken root! We must unite in order to save the culture and usher in the kingdom of God, utter heresy and apostasy!

    • Robert E. Schoenle July 3, 2016 at 2:19 am #

      I can only say, Manny, that if Christians, during the colonial days of America, had thought as you do there wouldn’t have been a United States of America. It might be wise for you to study American history and learn how the men behind the pulpits wearing their black robes led the fight for liberty and independence from a tyrannical king in England. I am repeatedly amazed by the biblical and historical ignorance that is expressed by people who declare themselves as being Christians. There is no excuse for them being so other then apathy. How sad for those guilty of having this fault!

  11. David July 3, 2016 at 9:27 am #

    Lyn, you said…”I trust there is mercy in store for us at the bottom; but I expect a shaking time before things get into a right channel — before we are humbled, and are taught to give Him the glory.” I do agree with you in that the coming persecution of God’s remnant prior to the rapture of His Church, His Bride, will be coming from the “visible professing church.” This comment section (and many, many others as well) is a perfect case in point. Robert, take heed as you are an example of the following scripture…

    1 Peter 4:17, “For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?”

    As a side note: This coming election has evil written all over it. My prayer and hope is that more and more authentic Christians wake up to the fact that they need to stay completely out of it…convicted by the Holy Spirit of course. This very well could be a test (see Matt. 6:19-21). I believe there will be an accountability on a spiritual level concerning what we do in this matter. It is a defining moment for many Christians who are and will be taking a stand confirming and walking the talk that this is not our home. Demonstrating to the lost that this is not where we lay up our treasures, but in heaven. May God be glorified!

    • Robert E. Schoenle July 3, 2016 at 2:19 pm #

      I totally disagree with your super-spiritual premise that Christians should not participate in the elective process of the USA. Yours is an extreme religious belief with zero biblical support.

      I personally believe that God has been in the process of judging America for the past several years. He is doing so on three fronts: 1. Economically 2. Changing weather patterns 3. America’s political leadership. His final judgment upon America will be when Russia nukes the USA (Ezek. 39:6) as Russia and her allies invade Israel (Ezek. 38 & 39) in September 2017.

      I have been saying for more than five years that there is an excellent chance that the 2016 presidential election will NOT take place. The possibility of martial law will only need a natural [major earthquake] or manmade [simultaneous multiple terrorists attacks] or supernatural [the Rapture] event to take place for King Obama to justify implementing martial law. This would then end life in the USA as we have known it.

      Personally, I worry about absolutely nothing. I rest in the knowledge that God is in total control. The Lord Jesus said that we are to be anxious [worry] for nothing. I am only in control of what I think, say and do. Other than that I can only respond and react to what takes place around me and within my life. I am convinced the Rapture will take place this coming October 2nd and rejoice in that prospect. Maranatha!

      • Lyn July 3, 2016 at 3:09 pm #


        You are a false prophet.
        Now, as for your claim that it is ‘unbiblical’ to NOT vote, I have asked for biblical support that states we must vote. You have not given any verses.

        You prophesy the ‘rapture’ will take place this Oct. You are just like Camping, and all the other nutcases who claim to have special ‘revelation’ of when it will take place. As Darrel already pointed out, no one knows the day or the hour. Since you insist on calling God a liar by stating you know when this secret rapture will happen, you must be shunned and called what you are…..a false prophet.

        Do move on, no one here is interested in your propaganda thinly veiled as ‘religion’.

        • Robert E. Schoenle July 4, 2016 at 11:52 am #

          Lyn, would you be offended if I say you are a moron? I have posted biblical support which you ignore. Instead of checking my sources and references you call me names. I have stated that the apostle John was the last true prophet of God. I have also stated that I am NOT a prophet but I am a watchman as are many others. Our duty is to warn morons like you about what is soon to take place. The Bible is like a huge puzzle. God has given all that we need to know within its contents. We simply need to piece that puzzle together so we may know what God intended for us to know. So wise up and plug in.

  12. Manny1962 July 3, 2016 at 10:32 am #

    Robert, you do understand, that biblically speaking, our revolution ran against biblical principles? You do know that, right?

    • Robert E. Schoenle July 3, 2016 at 1:52 pm #

      Yes, I do, Manny! I brought that up at a Wednesday night Bible study about 24 years ago and was almost tarred and feathered. I never did get a satisfactory response. Maybe, after all of these years, you can supply it to me.

  13. Manny1962 July 3, 2016 at 10:52 am #

    Although I don’t follow James Perloff, or any other man, his take on our foundation puts a very interesting spin on the truths never spoken ………….



    Who is to say God cares about corrupt poliitics, corrupt governance, rebellion…………

  14. Manny1962 July 3, 2016 at 3:30 pm #

    The king of England was appointed by God, as every king, president, prime minister, emperor and head of state……….. The colonists didn’t like the king or his monarchy, they rebelled, the ensuing war led to founding of this nation, but it is erroneous to think the constitution is a God breathed article, it is not, it’s not scripture nor it is infallible. I really don’t care if anyone takes issue with the above statement, proclaiming the truth never makes one popular. The reason God blessed this country was due to the large numbers of missionaries that went out into the world to spread the gospels. Many signatories to the articles of independence were Masons or Deists, Today, this nation is utterly corrupt with the blood of over 57 million children on its hands, those appointed as judges habitually break God’s laws with impunity, homosexuality is not only protected, but it is condoned, and written into law! The great apostasy ravaging Churchianity will lead to finally jettison the name of Jesus Christ, leaving he last vestiges behind, it will eventually meld with the other religions of the world and bow its knees to the antichrist on the order of the false prophet. Is this country under judgement? Of course it is! Is politics the answer? It is not! The who,e system is being primed to worship ONE man! As a Christian I don’t feel the need to partake in any part of its evil! I render to Caesar what is Caesar’s, but I don’t participate in choosing a Caesar……….I’m a patriot for my country, a city which comes forth from heaven, a city from where I await my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! I have no feelings of shame and remorse for not following Caesar! We must do as our conciense dictates, we must not violate it! My mandate while I walk this world is clear! Proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ, warn of the impending, soon-at-hand judgement, which has begun and to be an ambassador for The Lord.

    • Robert E. Schoenle July 4, 2016 at 12:22 pm #

      In your response, Manny, I think you overlooked the excessive taxation imposed upon the colonies by England’s king and the abuse suffered by the citizens of the new land. I think you also overlooked how America became a haven for the Jewish people which was necessary with their being evicted from Spain. Is it possible America was blessed on their behalf? Keep in mind that the missionaries that were sent out, of which you refer, were sent many years after the founding of America.

      I am wondering how you feel about the rebellion against the king of Syria who ruled over Israel? That rebellion was led by the Maccabees and overthrew his rule over them. Were the jewish people wrong in doing so? After all, according to you, that king was placed over them by God as is every head of state, etc.

      Out of curiosity I would like to ask you whether you would be willing to fight on behalf of the USA? Would you be willing to die in defense of your homeland? I also would like to know if you think there is anything really worth dying for? I am looking forward to your response!

      • berlorac July 4, 2016 at 2:54 pm #

        Robert, you said,

        [I am wondering how you feel about the rebellion against the king of Syria who ruled over Israel? That rebellion was led by the Maccabees and overthrew his rule over them. Were the jewish people wrong in doing so?]

        Israel and the Maccabees were not wrong in this case because it took place during a different dispensation, the Age of Israel, when God often used Gentile nations to chasten Israel and used Israel to destroy Gentile nations. The Church, however, is not Israel, nor does it belong to Israel’s dispensation.

        Paul is clear in Romans 13 that we are to obey the authorities over us; that is, in the context in which this command is given, Paul is discussing the Christian’s liberty in Christ, so he makes sure we understand that that liberty is not a license to rebel against the government. However, there is no command to participate in politics or government.

        Robert, you cite high taxation as a justification for the colonists to rebel against England, but Paul would say otherwise; there is no justification for the Christian to rebel against such earthly annoyances. We are to obey the laws unless those laws directly infringe on our faith (Romans 13:2,6). It would seem, then, that the call for independence was in rebellion to God as much as to England. (I will say, though, that the first settlers in the 1600s were not necessarily in rebellion and they did, indeed, come here only to preach the Gospel. However, a hundred years later, as you know, the landscape was quite different, leading to outright rebellion.)

        Those of us who recognize that we are not called to participate in politics or the affairs of this world must not cause a weaker brother to stumble; therefore, if our brethren wish to vote and participate in politics, it is before God only that they will stand. But just as importantly, Robert, it is not permitted that the weaker brethren judge those who are stronger in faith (Romans 14).

  15. Manny1962 July 3, 2016 at 3:33 pm #

    We are admonished to pray for those in power, not those we like in power, but who ever is in power, ultimately is there because God in His purpose and for His purpose has put that person in power. Usually as a blessing or a judgement on a nation.

  16. David July 3, 2016 at 3:41 pm #

    What I see is a spirit of rebellion by those Christians who remain attached to the things of this world, and this will leave many to go through the 7 year Tribulation. Yes, letting go is part of the sanctification process and many of us are at a different place in our walk, but there are many who simply are rebelling and digging their heals in whey they are warned or taught scripture. They refuse to let go and will continue to justify in their mind why it is okay to stay attached all the while professing Christ. The end does not justify the means. We cannot serve two masters. It is either or…just ask Lot’s wife if this is so. This matter is very, very serious with eternal consequences.

  17. Manny1962 July 3, 2016 at 4:01 pm #

    Amen David! Many Christians have a serious issue with seeing the truth about this country and this world. What does the bible say about being friends with world? In many people’s minds the constitution is God breathed and infallible, God does not agree. Do we see any mention of America in the bible? We live in a post Christian society, that frustrates those that want politics to change the culture, the corruption and somehow remove the moral decay that permeates the nation. Then and only then, when the institutions are conquered for Christianity and the Kingdom of God is ready will Jesus choose to return! A cursory reading of the bible proves all of those notions heretical, delusional and antichristian. Remember God will send a strong delusion. This world, this nation are under judgement……like birth pangs, they’re getting stronger with each passing day, beware of those that tell you the church replaced Israel! Utter apostasy and a lie from the pit of hell!

    “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only………,,Matthew 24:36”

    Jesus admonishes His church to watch! We might NOT know the day or hour, but we will know the general time! Maranatha!

  18. Darrel July 4, 2016 at 1:10 pm #


    After scanning your website and finding multiple contradictions in what you say, why should anyone pay attention to anything you have to say?

    You say that man has a free will and then on another page go on and on about salvation being only of grace; so which is it, free will of grace? It can’t be both or a combination of the two, so which is it?

    Then you proceed to say that Paul was ignorant (or maybe it was a back door accusation that Paul lied?) about the rapture and did not/was not able to give accurate info to the Thessalonians—is this another instance of a back door accusation of someone lying? If so, then your accusation falls upon the Holy Spirit and not Paul.

    All this in less than fifteen minutes of inspection—I don’t have the stomach for any more. It makes one wonder if the reason you speak at all is too feed you martyr complex??? It is obvious that you have long ago awarded yourself the Golden Certificate of Infallibility, and no doubt wonder why anyone would oppose you??? Sad that so many have been and still are being deceived by you. Again I pray that God will break you before Him before it’s too late.

    • Robert E. Schoenle July 4, 2016 at 1:24 pm #

      After reading your latest message of confusion I am concluding that you are a follower of John Calvin. If so, it would explain your inability to comprehend the doctrine of ‘election’ and the doctrine of ‘free will.’ Therefore, I am going to leave you with your confusion and hope for the best in your search to know the truth. As of now, you really do not have a clue!

      • Lyn July 4, 2016 at 2:04 pm #

        A typical response when one hasn’t biblical support to uphold their opinions – name calling and labeling. Calvin had some very questionable views, I assure you Darrel is NOT a follower of any mortal man. Nice try though

        It seems the confusion is in your own ‘theology’. You cannot have ‘free will’ and be depraved at the same time. “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Cor. 2:14
        And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins Ephesians 2:1

        Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved Ephesians 2:5
        The doctrines of grace did NOT originate with Calvin, rather, they are given by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. You would do well to study them and put away your own foolish opinions. Your views are a mixed bag of mish mash based on faulty interpretations. Remember this, you must be born again – John 3:3. You seem to lack this new birth wrought by God the Spirit. May God’s mercy do a work in your deceived heart.

        • Robert E. Schoenle July 4, 2016 at 3:26 pm #

          You guys crack me up. You start the name calling during your judgmental rants and then get upset with a response in same. This exchange has revealed to me that you guys really are a mess. If you should be left behind after the Rapture it will be because the Lord Jesus NEVER knew you (Mt. 7:21-23; 25:1-13; Lk. 13:24-27). Maranatha!

          • Lyn July 4, 2016 at 9:32 pm #

            That’s the best you can do? That’s your refutation of the scriptural support I presented against you? God help you Robert.

  19. Lyn July 4, 2016 at 2:49 pm #

    here is the confused ‘theology’ of Robert, from his website…

    What the people on the day of “Pentecost” did to attain “salvation” was to first “believe,” which led them to having a “change of mind” and then be “identified” with the Lord Jesus Christ. Thus, the “cause” of Christian “salvation” begins with “belief.” The “effect” is what is done afterward!

    All who desire to attain eternal “salvation” from the God of the Holy Bible, need to acknowledge being a “lost” sinner who is incapable of doing “anything” to justify them self before a holy and perfect God (Job 25:4; Ps. 51:1-5; Rom. 1:20; 3:9-10, 23; 5:12; 6:23; Gal. 2:16; 3:22; Heb. 7:19). They then need to believe, by faith alone, that the Lord Jesus Christ, paid in full, the penalty due for their sins and that He died, was buried, and bodily arose from the dead (Mt. 5:17-18; Jn. 2:18-21; 4:34; 11:25-26; 14:6; 17:4; 19:30; 20:29-30; Acts 4:10-12; Rom. 1:16-17; 3:24-28; 4:5; 5:1-11; 6:3-10; 8:33-34; 10:9-13; 1 Cor. 15:1-4; 2 Cor. 5:7; 1 Tim. 1:15; 2:5; 1 Pet. 1:23). Thus, “salvation” is a free gift, solely by the grace of God and nothing else (Rom. 5:12-21; Eph. 2:8-9)!

    Robert states you must believe, it is the act of the sinner that brings about salvation, according to Robert. With that said, how does a dead in sin sinner automatically believe? Is it something we do, or is faith a gift? According to Ephesians 2:8-9, faith is a gift. So, believing is not something we do on our own. We trust because God enables us to do so. Robert teaches falsely.
    From Robert’s testimony, “It was my learning of the love of God for me that broke my heart and with tears streaming down, caused me to kneel by my coffee table in the middle of the night, while my family slept, and ask the Lord Jesus Christ to be my personal Savior. It was then that I accepted His free gift of salvation, for the forgiveness of ‘all’ my sins by simply believing that what He had done was for me personally and was sufficient to save me from the penalty due me for them (Jn. 20:30-31). There is a small, minute mention of sin in Robert’s testimony. There is no evidence of being broken over his sins by God, rather, he only mentions God’s ‘love’ for him. This is contrary to what the Bible teaches—-
    ‘Psa_34:18 The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
    Psa_51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
    Isa_57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
    Isa_66:2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

    Robert goes on to say he ‘accepted’ God’s gift, as though free will plays a part. Now remember, Robert has stated he upholds salvation by grace, yet here, he contradicts himself and states he did something. Can any sinner resist God’s draw IF they are the elect? Hardly. The argument that one has to receive a gift is not supported by God’s word. We flee to Christ because He first draws us {John 6:44}, He regenerates us {John 1:13, Eph, 2:1,5}, He gifts us with faith to believe {Ephesians 2:8-9} He gifts us with repentance. {Acts 11:18}. He must open the blind eye and deaf ear, and when He does, then and only then do sinners flee to Him. Nowhere in the bible does it state the sinner has the ability to ‘accept’ Christ – this decisional type false teaching originated with Charles Finney.

    Robert, your theology is a mixed bag of teachings of men, ranging from Hal Lindsey, Finney, to Harold Camping-types. You are not following Christ, but the teachings of men. May the Lord reveal His truth to you, through His Spirit and His word.

    • Robert E. Schoenle July 4, 2016 at 3:56 pm #

      I have to say, Lyn, that you are a mess. You are a great example for why I want nothing to do with religious people like you.

      • Lyn July 4, 2016 at 9:33 pm #

        Again, you cannot defend your views because the word of God has proven you to be in error. So you resort to a childish tactic that many use – name calling, falsely accusing, and labeling. May the Lord grant you the new birth, may He elect you unto eternal life.

        • Robert E. Schoenle July 4, 2016 at 10:25 pm #

          You are pathtic!

          • Lyn July 8, 2016 at 12:44 pm #

            ahhh…..the true spirit of a supposed ‘Christian’ comes out! BTW, learn how to spell. It’s ‘pathetic’.

          • Jared September 12, 2020 at 1:13 am #

            Both of you are acting like babies. However, at this point in the conversation Lyn is the bigger baby. Grow up both of you.

  20. Manny1962 July 4, 2016 at 3:49 pm #


    “Out of curiosity I would like to ask you whether you would be willing to fight on behalf of the USA? Would you be willing to die in defense of your homeland? I also would like to know if you think there is anything really worth dying for? I am looking forward to your response!”

    If the law of Cesar demands I fight, I will have to obey it, since that command does not violate the laws of God. If Caesar would demand I reject Christ, off to death I go! As I would defy that command with my last breath. Let me be clear, I’m not afraid of death, I will gladly lay my life down for Jesus Christ. Please don’t mix pseudo patriotism with a religious strawman arguement, it doesn’t wash. As for the rest of your presuppositions, I refer to the answer given by Berlorac.

    To be frank Robert, you’ve done nothing, but raise red flags with your statements!

  21. Darrel July 4, 2016 at 4:37 pm #


    Please read the comment from me 7-3-16 @ 3:40pm in answer to your insane assertions.

    Lyn has properly instructed you on the heresies you hawk in the name of God, which is a blatant mockery of Him, His Word, and His Spirit, the Author of the Word.

    It’s refreshing to see that you have admitted to more heresy in your rejection of the Foreknowledge, Predestination, and Election of the Father not only for His chosen ones, but also for His Son. If you have a problem with Election, as you have so eloquently stated that you do, then you have a problem with the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Elect of God. 1 Peter 2:6. You have a problem with predestination? Then you have another problem with the Lord Jesus Christ—1 Peter 1:20. You have a problem with the thought that God did the choosing and you had nothing to do with it? Then why not just say what’s on your mind and call the Lord Jesus a liar (you’ve already done it so many times before) John 15:16. But the real problem is that you demand to be the possessor of a “free-will” in which you are placed above the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit not only in importance, but you have become the master of your soul, the final arbiter of your eternal fate. As such you are blinded to the reality of your dead condition and have convinced yourself that all is well on the eternal front. To you, the ranting about the rapture has become the evidence of your self appointed “salvation” (a paraphrase of your own words). You speak of Christ as being “your personal savior” and He is no such thing. First of all He is LORD, and if He has chosen you to salvation you will be saved WITHOUT any help, agreement, or assistance from your “free-will”. You do not own Him, as the phrase so deceitfully portrays. You have made claim to being “saved” simply by your own mental ascent to the fact that Jesus exists. You have, by deletion of the requirement and even the mention of repentance, shown that you are disqualified from the Kingdom of God, you are yet in your sins, and just as lost as you were 50 years ago.

    You preach that salvation boils down to the choice you make with no regard for the demands of Scripture or the One who wrote it. You have granted to yourself and those who hear you a “free-will” and yet there is no mention of that anywhere in Scripture, none whatsoever, especially when it comes to the saving of one’s soul. But that doesn’t matter to you because it doesn’t fir the fantasy theology that is required to believe that you actually can choose to be “saved” or not, making God’s choice inconsequential and mute. All this makes you out to be the real god—sound familiar? Isa. 14 should ring a few bells. By making yourself the possessor of a “free-will” you have become your own idol. You worship yourself. You do not worship God or His Son. You have made yourself the object of the “worship” you think you offer to God. This is what all lost people do, they worship themselves. You, Robert, are no different.

    • Robert E. Schoenle July 4, 2016 at 7:41 pm #

      It is unfortunate that you guys are unaware of how biblically ignorant you are with your irrational, judgmental rants. You truly have my sympathy. I find it very sad to think of the many people who are more into churchianity than Christianity. The number of ‘professing’ Christians who will be left behind after the Rapture is going to be staggering (Mt. 25:1-13). The good part is that many will be saved afterward though they will have to die for their new found belief. Take care and God bless. Maranatha!

  22. Darrel July 4, 2016 at 5:36 pm #


    Why is it that no one else has been given the date of the rapture except you? Is it so that everyone will be deceived into thinking that you are special in the eyes/heart of God that He gave this info to only you? Since you have stated the day why not the time also, at least the hour—CDT will do just fine as it is the time stamp of this blog. So what is the exact hour?

    Also, why is this information not in the Scriptures themselves if the date has already been set (PREDESTINED) to occur at the APPOINTED time. Why is it not specifically spelled out using the Jewish calendar of the first century? Maybe this, too, is to make Robert shine in the eyes of those he has deceived.

    You claim to not be a “prophet” only a “watchman” all in an effort to absolve yourself from having to “be right” 100% of the time, therefore you have no risk and could be wrong without diminishing your “credibility.” But I wonder how many of your other predictions have failed to come true? Did you scrub them from your web site? Where are your archives from decades back? Would they put you in an unflattering light? If you were a real “watchman” wouldn’t you be turning people from their sins?

    The blood of those you have deceived is on your hands and will be required of you. Still, there is time to turn from your sins, repent and believe on the Lord Jesus. Who knows, maybe He will save you yet.

  23. Manny1962 July 5, 2016 at 1:06 pm #


    For what it’s worth, today Hillary was given a free pass by the FBI, so for those that still believe we have a left/right political paradigm in this country please wake up! She’s been tapped by the powers behind the curtain, she’s getting protection from every corner of government! And this is the government some deluded Christians think will usher in the kingdom of God? Christianity has NOTHING to do with politics! It never did! Not in 1776 nor in 2016! This woman, who in my opinion, has been picked to be the next president, will just bring more evil, more of the decay, and it’s my opinion, she’s a judgement on this nation. Christians please let this world go! Our redemption draws closer, this world and this nation will go as written in the Words Of God! Maranatha!

    • Lyn July 8, 2016 at 12:45 pm #

      Good comment Manny. This is why it is futile to get involved in ‘politics’. Who rules and reigns? Who is sovereign over all? Why do any put their trust in princes, when we are told not to?

      Blessings to you brother.

      • Manny1962 July 10, 2016 at 8:38 pm #

        Amen Lyn! Such blindness today! I would warn all Christians to really get deep in the word! Things are moving so rapidly! Just like the Lord said ! Birth pangs! God bless you sister! May His eyes be on you. Maranatha!

  24. vanessa August 15, 2016 at 2:16 am #

    Good Morning,

    Though I do not live in America I follow her politics and I keep up to speed on where the church is heading. I wish her well and I pray for her. There are many of my Brothers and Sisters in Christ who I care for and my prayers are for their safety.

    If I was in America I would find the decision on who to vote a difficut task as neither candidates are thruthful. Hillary is not even up for consideration leaving Trump. Trump seems to be against the Establishment as well as the Liberal press which is great but I cannot help wonder if he is a distraction and hes playing the part so well. Trojan Horse. I smell a rat.

    What happens in America does not stay in America as it has an economical ripple effect across the world, so yes I watch and follow the trends. I do not bury my head in the sand.

    Having said that you wont know what you are getting in the Whitehouse as they ALWAYS hide their real intensions till its too late. People say vote Trump as he is committed in putting in a conservative Judge on the bench. Will he.? Can he turn the economy around in under 4 years?. If he does then the NWO plans are set back by 4 years and time is running out. They have set a date 2030. I therefore don’t see him being elected.

    Something dark and sinister is about to happen and its just a feeling i get.

    Either way the end is upon us and whatever happens God is in control. We are in exciting times and yes the Lord is coming soon for his Body.

    So would I vote if I was in the States. Absolutely not.

  25. bilbobaggins September 12, 2020 at 1:19 am #

    I have to say I am extremely disappointed reading this conversation. Some decent points were raised but it honestly seemed like many here were rage typing. Really comes off as your hearts being in a very dark and unloving place.

    At the same time I kinda wish we could reignite this feud. So if you would please restart the flaming I will grab my popcorn.