T.D. Jakes “Shocked” After Theology Called Into Question Following Remarks Respecting “Gay Rights”

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T.D. Jakes is a master of obfuscation.  This was very apparent in his recent TV interview with Huffington Post’s Marc Lamont Hill.  Thus, a controversy erupted over some of the things he said – and failed say.  That he’s a master of obfuscation was also obvious during the Elephant Room 2 controversy that came about over whether or not Jakes’ view of the Trinity is biblical.  Most people are unaware that he has been associated with modalism, a heretical belief that rejects the orthodox view of the Trinity. For those who are unclear about this, a belief in the Trinity is an essential of Christianity and one of the non-negotiables.  So if a person chooses to deny the existence of the Trinity or rejects the settled orthodox view set forth in Scripture, he/she is not a true Christian.  During the E-2 discussion to clarify his beliefs with regard to the Trinity, Jakes did anything but clarify.  His tap dance made Gene Kelly look like a rank amateur.  Although he tried his best to come across as a true trinitarian, his arguments were unconvincing.  (Daniel Neades makes the case)

There’s more.  Jakes not only denies the Bible’s clear teaching with regard to the Trinity, he preaches the Word of Faith-prosperity gospel which comes out of the metaphysical New Thought teachings of Phineas Quimby.  Word-faith is the belief that  faith is a force and words are the containers of the force.  Words can be used to manipulate the faith-force — name it and claim it.  By manipulating the faith-force we can create our own reality.  Those who hold this view also believe Scripture promises health and wealth which is where we get terms such as “prosperity gospel” and “health & wealth gospel.”  With this in mind, is “Bishop” Jakes a true Christian or a counterfeit?

The answer is that those who are outside the bounds of historic orthodox Christianity are counterfeit Christians.

We’ve given two reasons our readers should be concerned with T.D. Jakes’ theology.  Space does not allow us to probe any deeper.  To find out why this man is considered a false teacher, visit Apologetics Index.

Heather Clark, columnist for the Christian News Network, has written a follow up piece to: T.D. Jakes Comes Out for “Gay Rights” and “LGBT Churches,” Says Position is “Evolving.”  In her new piece she covers some of the controversial comments Jakes made in the HuffPo interview.   Those of you who are unaware of the reasons his remarks caused such a stir will find Clark’s piece illuminating.  One thing he said that caused concern was that he feels it’s a good idea for gay people who profess a belief in Christ to find a church that lines up with their view of what the Bible teaches on homosexuality, “as if there is no right or wrong view,” chided Michael Brown.

So now Jakes is scratching his head over the controversy that erupted over an interview he did that caused some people to conclude that he condones the homosexual lifestyle, moreover his views are “evolving” on same-sex “marriage.”

Here’s Heather Clark’s piece:

T.D. Jakes

FINDING GAY-AFFIRMING CHURCHES AND ‘RESPECTING’ GAY RIGHTS

As previously reported, during an interview with the Huffington Post last Monday, Jakes was asked by a viewer if he believes that homosexuals and the black church can co-exist.

“Absolutely,” he replied.

“An obvious yes; the Church ain’t turning nobody away,” interviewer Marc Lamont Hill added. “How should the black church and the LGBT community co-exist?”

“I think it is going to be diverse from church to church. Every church has a different opinion on the issue and every gay person is different,” Jakes replied. “And I think that to speak that the church—the black church, the white church or any kind of church you wanna call it—are all the same, is totally not true.”

Jakes said that he thinks homosexuals should find congregations that affirm their lifestyle.

“LGBT’s of different types and sorts have to find a place of worship that reflects what your views are and what you believe like anyone else,” he outlined.

“The church should have the right to have its own convictions and values; if you don’t like those convictions and values [and] you totally disagree with it, don’t try to change my house, move into your own … and find somebody who gets what you get about faith,” Jakes added.

When asked if his thinking has “evolved,” Jakes agreed that it has.

“Evolved and evolving,” he replied. When asked how, Jakes said, “I think that where I am is to better understand we, the church, bought into the myth that this is a Christian nation.”

Earlier this year, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that states must legalize same-sex “marriage,” igniting a battle between the Church and State over the issue. In his comments last Monday, Jakes advocated for the separation of Church and State, which would allow for “all types of people” to have whatever rights they desire despite biblical prohibitions. He said that politics don’t need to be based on Christianity.

“[O]nce you get past [thinking America is a Christian nation] … Once you begin to understand that democracy—that a republic actually—is designed to be an overarching system to protect our unique nuances, then we no longer look for public policy to reflect biblical ethics,” Jakes explained.

“If we can divide—or what you would call separation of Church and State—then we can dwell together more effectively because atheists, agnostics, Jews, all types of people, Muslims, pay into the government. The government then cannot reflect one particular view over another just because we’re the dominant group of religious people in [this] country because those numbers are changing every day,” he asserted. “We need a neutralized government that protects our right to disagree with one another and agree with one another.”

“That’s outside the Church,” Hill remarked. “Inside the Church, has your thinking shifted biblically, Scripturally, hermeneutically at all? The reason I ask that is because I talk to a lot of ministers now …. and one of the questions [at a recent African meeting] was, is there a way to approach Christian tradition—Christian Scripture—in light of a new understanding of LGBT?”

Hill then pointed to the issue of slavery, and that “irrespective of what [biblical] text says literally, we don’t support slavery as a body.” He asked if there was likewise “room for that same kind of shift” when it comes to homosexuality.

Jakes said that he believed that the shift needed to occur “behind the closed doors of the church” to avoid being called names by society for disagreeing on the matter. He added moments later that the issue of homosexuality is “complex.”

“Paul spends a lot of time wrestling back and forth, trying to understand should a woman wear a head covering, should you cut your hair,” Jakes stated. “I mean, they grappled back then and we’re grappling now because we’re humans and we are flawed and we’re not God.”

“Once you understand you’re not God, you leave yourself an ‘out’ clause to grow,” he said.

JAKES ‘SHOCKED’ BY HOW COMMENTS WERE PERCEIVED

Following Christian News Network’s report on Jakes’ statements, he shot back on Facebook, remarking that he was “shocked” at how his comments were interpreted, but reiterated that while he personally disagrees with homosexual “marriage,” he “respects” the government’s provision of it.

“My comment on HuffPo TV drifted into issues of the Supreme Court ruling and changing the world through public policy versus personal witness. Further, I have come to respect that I can’t force my beliefs on others by controlling public policy for tax payers [sic] and other U.S. citizens,” he wrote.

“Jesus never sought to change the world through public policy but rather through personal transformation. All people didn’t embrace him either,” Jakes continued. “That’s what I said and what I meant …. Nothing more and nothing less.”

He contended that when he used the phrase “evolved and evolving” in response to Hill’s question, he was only referring to the methods used to minister to homosexuals, not his position on the issue.

“When asked about the ‘black church’ and its role in ministering to gay people, I briefly mentioned (we were running out of time) the word ‘evolved and evolving’ regarding my approach over the 39 years of my ministry to gay people who choose to come to our services,” Jakes wrote. “I simply meant that my method is evolving—not my message.”

“I was shocked to read that this was manipulated in a subsequent article to say I endorsed same sex marriage! My position on the subject has been steadfast and rooted in Scripture,” he continued.

However, it was rather Jakes’ remarks in support of the government making provision for “all types of people” to live as they wish outside of “biblical ethics” that raised concern about his views on the issue.

Jakes concluded by stating that although he personally opposes same-sex “marriage,” he “respects the rights” given to homosexuals by the U.S. government—as he had outlined during the Huffington Post interview.

“For the record, I do not endorse same sex marriage but I respect the rights that this country affords those that disagree with me,” he remarked.   Continue reading

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Does the Bible Really Say We’re Not to Judge? By Marsha West

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6 Responses to T.D. Jakes “Shocked” After Theology Called Into Question Following Remarks Respecting “Gay Rights”

  1. Faith August 12, 2015 at 6:13 pm #

    It is written:

    “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”
    Leviticus 18; 22
    See also Leviticus 20; 13, Romans 1, 26-27, 1 Cor. 6; 9-10

  2. John Stefanyszyn August 17, 2015 at 7:16 am #

    T.D. Jakes…In the Name of the Image of FREEDOM…Common Way with the Gay Community

    Mr. Jakes, as leader of his ministry and the Potter’s church, talks eloquently about the Word of God, but seems to be socially neutral and non committal on the unrighteousness of homosexuality.
    He seems to be walking instead the walk of “social correctness”…so as to respect the FREEDOM of rights of those, President Obama, that claim that the homosexual lifestyle is right, a right, in their own eyes.

    Mr. Jakes respects this FREEDOM because it is his first love.
    He worships the same FREEDOM that the homosexuals do, but in his case it is to be free to do his religion, his “theology”.
    This FREEDOM that both worship dictates that it is RIGHT, a right, to be free to worship ANY ‘god’ as per one’s self-justification.
    How can Mr. Jake speak against the sin of homosexuality when he himself embraces the sin of freedom to worship any god ( religious liberty).
    Once, some people accused the Lord Jesus Christ of being a demon when he cast out a demon. But the Lord Jesus Christ said that satan cannot cast out satan for his house would fall.

    Mr. Jakes worships the same freedom as do the homosexuals.
    Mr. Jakes worships the way of satan, which confesses that it is right to embrace the “taken freedom” to justify “good and evil” in one’s own eyes, for one’s own wisdom and desires.

    Mr. Jake is as a virgin whose oil vessel is empty and who is using the name of Christ as a ‘lamp’ that will soon burn out…for the Lord Jesus Christ will say ” I do not know you, workers of lawlessness”.

    The Lord Jesus Christ said to worship ONLY the One Lord your Creator and Him Alone to SERVE in obedience and love, love for HIM first and foremost and love for, to do GOOD according to the One Truth, to the fellow man.

    Very soon, the Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the One Creator, will return, as a thief in man’s eyes, to rule the earth in obedience and power as the ONE KING according to the Will of ‘I AM’ and NOT according to man’s first love for “his freedom”, for his desire to serve and magnify oneself (XES).
    …and man will weep and clench his teeth in intense anger when his freedom will be no more.

    The Lord Jesus Christ said to walk in his steps and to suffer the same.
    The Lord Jesus Christ said to repent and to serve Only Him, the One True Way.

  3. John Stefanyszyn August 18, 2015 at 8:22 am #

    TD Jakes…FREEDOM, the Overarching System (the ‘god of fortresses’?) that Protects Unique Nuances.

    Mr. Jakes recently stated …
    …”…Once you begin to understand that democracy, that a republic actually, is designed to be an overarching system to protect our unique nuances, then we no longer look to public policy to reflect biblical ethics.”
    …”The church should have the right to have its own convictions and values; if you don’t like those convictions and values and you totally disagree with it, don’t try to change my house, move into your own … and find somebody who gets what you get about faith.”

    It is clear that Mr. Jakes believes in, defends, and glorifies the righteousness of FREEDOM of Self-Rights….which in this discussion revolves around freedom of sexual lifestyle and religious freedom.

    He has very clearly justified in his eyes the “goodness” of the democratic (self-ruling) system, outlining that it acts as the “overarching system”, ie the authority above all other authorities, that protects the nuances , the differences in the variety and preferences of personal beliefs, whether they be sexual or religious.

    In other words, this “ overarching” acts as the ‘god of (above) all fortresses’.

    It is written in Daniel, that the last king of the north will glorify and advance his “god of fortresses”.

    What is the one belief, amongst all nations, peoples, religions, lifestyles, that is common to all?
    What one belief is embraced, desired, and glorified by the small and the great, by the rich and the poor, by the free (employers) and by the bondmen ( employees)?
    What is the one belief that is marked as a sign of allegiance on everyone’s forehead and hand?

    Is it not the love for FREEDOM…for freedom of self-rights, freedom of self-religion, freedom of self-happiness, freedom of sexual lifestyle?

    Mr. Jakes has clearly shown that he places this FREEDOM as the overarching way of life above all other beliefs, thus subsequently placing the Son of the One Creator, the Lord Jesus Christ, below this “FREEDOM” and consequentially categorizing HIM to be of EQUAL validity to ‘other gods’.

    This FREEDOM dictates that it is RIGHT, a right, to be free to worship ANY ‘god’ as per one’s self-justified desires, establishing this to be “good” in one’s own eyes.

    BUT the One Creator said that man is not to worship any other gods. In other words HE said that man is NOT FREE to worship other gods, warning man that if he were to do so the judgement and penalty for this taken-freedom, for this disobedience, would be death.

    The Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the One Creator, said the we are to worship ONLY the One Lord your Creator God and HIM Alone to serve in obedience and love, love for HIM first and foremost and love for, to do GOOD according to the One True Way, to the fellow man.

    Very soon, the Lord Jesus Christ will return, as a thief in man’s eyes, to rule the earth in obedience and power as the ONE KING according to the Will of ‘I AM’ and NOT according to man’s first love for “his overarching freedom “, for his desire to serve and magnify oneself (XES).
    …and man will weep and clench his teeth in intense anger when his freedom will be no more
    …and the Lord Jesus Christ will say, to those that hypocritically and theologically claim “biblical ethics” in His Name, that “ I do not know you, workers of lawlessness”.

    The Lord Jesus Christ said to repent and to serve Only Him, for He is the One True Way of Life.

  4. dean September 29, 2015 at 3:32 pm #

    Good day,

    Firstly , i tend to agree with TD Jakes, the bible clearly states that men where made for women , God created Adam and Eve ” not Adam and Steve:

    But now living in the modern age, we have to accept and not judge anyone, who tends to have a different life style then ours and yet still believe in God.

    At the end of the day , God is going judge all of us, Gay or not. SIN IS SIN.

    anyway that’s my view on the whole Gay subject.

  5. Tammy February 29, 2016 at 5:15 pm #

    Homosexuality is the only sin God wants to kill so sin is not just sun

    • Billy November 24, 2016 at 3:42 am #

      Tammy go repent of your wickedness. You’re self righteousness is sad. You can’t interpret the Bible literally and still castigate and damn you fellow so or daughter of God when their are verses and passages which admonish some of your own sins by punishment of death. take many seats

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