Discernment Challenge: If you see something, say something!

Every week it seems, Marsha and I receive at least a couple of messages from women who are fraught with angst over a social media post from their friend, relative or church that promotes a false teacher. “What should I do? Should I say something?”

For me there is only one answer: Yes! You can’t not say something. To say nothing is to let your loved one walk headfirst into the blast zone of a terrorist with only one thing on his/her mind: To take out as many sheep as possible.

“But how?” is the next question. What they’re really asking is, “How can I take the least amount of risk to myself so I don’t have to be that Christian?”

I get it. You don’t want to lose friends. And you don’t want to get a reputation for being one of those hateful Pharisees. I want to share a snippet of some advice. I really resonated with J.D. Hall’s piece over at Pulpit & Pen’s Polemics Report:Screen Shot 2016-04-19 at 9.51.36 AM

If You See Something, Say Something is a public service campaign started by the New York City Metropolitan Transportation Authority, now licensed by the Department of Homeland Security and has become popularized in use by police departments and transit officers across the country. It’s printed on posters and in radio PSAs, announced over loud speakers at train depots, airports and bus stations, and printed on fliers dispersed at sporting events. Chiefly the notion is this; if you see something suspicious, just say something…

…Here’s the truth, folks. There are a plethora of spiritual charlatans and doctrinal snake oil salesmen who really will ravage your friends, spiritually molest your family, theologically wound your coworkers and maim your loved ones. The fact is, if you love them and you see something, you should say something.

A few tips for you:

  1. Send a private message. Folks are prideful. Don’t accuse them of being a “discernmentless doctri-drone hell bent on aiding and abetting heretics” in public. Call them that in private. Or follow #2.
  2. Don’t accuse them, from the start, of being discernmentless doctridrones hell bent on aiding and abetting heretics. The fact is, they’re ignorant. They need to be taught. Now if they ignore repeated attempts at correction, then maybe the charge is true, but you might want to rephrase it.

Follow the link to read it’s entirety (and use one of my favorite snarky tools called “LMGTFY.”):

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10 Responses to Discernment Challenge: If you see something, say something!

  1. Darrel April 20, 2016 at 9:46 am #

    “If you see something, say something.” Let’s do just that and begin with what is seen in the author of this original post, everyone’s favorite master of discernment, J D Hall. If I were to call him “crude” he would take it as a compliment. If I were to say that he is arrogant, full of nothing but himself he would take that as a compliment, too. Does he attempt to use the Gospel to promote himself or the One who died for the sins of the redeemed? Having never read ANYTHING by JDH that actually exalts the Lord Jesus Christ it is the former of the two above options that is correct. He squawks about “discernment” and restricts his targets to easy ones like Osteen, etc. but have you ever read anything about the SBC—JDH’s denomination of choice and practice? I haven’t either. An in house survey done by the SBC some 25 years ago revealed that 30%+++ of it’s “pastors” were practicing free-masons and no doubt the total is greater today because NO ONE opposes the free-masons in the SBC and continues therein. Why don’t you say something about that, Mr. Hall or have you turned a convenient blind eye to that as well?

    On to the five “tips” you left us. #1 I’ve done that with you and Jeff Maples and received in return your typical arrogant, know-it-all condescending response of ‘how dare you ask such a probing question of me’. #2 ‘If repeated attempts fail…’ then change your response. Translation: if you don’t see things JDH’s way or JM’s way they are no longer worth “teaching” (indoctrinating). #3 If I told you “I love you” would that have changed your attitude and response? #4 “Don’t give up” Perhaps Mr. Maples should listen to his boss since he so rudely told me to never contact him again. #5 “Be that guy”, the one no one listens to, whose character is falsely assassinated on a regular basis just because ‘that guy’ is more interested in the integrity of the Scriptures and the Character of his Savior than he is placating the ego of a self-appointed “discernment blogger”. Since JDH does none of the things he advises others to do does that make him a hypocrite?

    One question for Mr. Hall, Mr. Maples and all those who support them: Please show us from the Scriptures (ONLY) the Biblical authority for the existence of the SBC. I patiently await your response.

    The last “red flag” to be mentioned for now about JDH and associates is the big UGLY “donate” button on nearly every page of his otherwise worthless meanderings. Rom. 16:17 & 18 must be considered here along with Phil. 3:18 & 19.

    This is what I have seen, but it does little good to speak of it. No one likes to have their idols exposed.

  2. Darrel April 20, 2016 at 10:57 am #

    “If you see something, say something”

    Then there is one John MacArthur, a man who has been steeped in heresy probably all his life and yet is readily accepted and defended by all his faithful disciples. There is no need to level any unfounded accusation against this man for he has condemned himself by his own words.

    Start with GTY sermon #80-33 and listen to JM tell everyone that he had no need for repentance “because he never did anything wrong” and later hear him say that he cannot tell you when he was “saved”. Is there any one born again who cannot remember that day and the graciousness of a kind and loving Savior?

    Then we have JM’s ‘mark of the beast’ nonsense where he says that a man can take the mark of the beast and later be “saved”, never mind that this is completely contrary to Scripture. How many have heard this from JM’s lips and believe him rather than the Scriptures. Sadly, many who are reading this now.

    “Lordship salvation” is another of his heresies and has nothing to do with Jesus Christ being LORD or the salvation given to those He chooses. It is nothing more than “another gospel” that preaches ‘salvation’ by works on a continuing basis with no mention of repentance (see the second paragraph), cursory mention of grace and faith and a horror story for those who subject themselves to the MacArthur minions who administer gestapo tactics in ruling over their subjects. Marsha, you typically dismissed the watchman wakes web site. Funny that you mention only one story found there about MLK and use that as reason enough to dismiss the facts presented elsewhere. I do not defend that web site, it’s doctrine (to which I take great exception), nor it’s owner, but if you read the forum you will find many horror stories of those who have attended GCC, TMC & TMS.

    The “Regen Conference” held every year is a satanic festival complete with a center piece being a dead pig’s head which is virtually worshipped by all attending. Satanic hand signs are taught and used without consideration of their origin and this in a “Christian” environment. Find the pictures of this on the above mentioned forum.

    Perhaps one of the most egregious heresies of MacArthur is his teaching on the Blood of Christ. He says: “You have to stop short of saying ‘We are saved by the blood of Jesus,’ in the sense that there is some efficacy in the fluid that poured out of His body.” And: “We don’t want to get caught up into this bizarre notion that somehow in the actual fluid that came out of the body of Jesus there is any saving power or saving efficacy.” “There is nothing in the fluid in His body that in any way I itself could save us.” And on he goes with more similar quotes. [Wade Burlson and Steve Lawson (see his new book “Blood Works”) believe this lie also.] Reminding MacArthur of Scripture is useless-he knows them all too well and has chosen to ignore the verses that tell us the opposite of this lie he is teaching. There are at least forty Scriptures that teach the opposite of JM’s nonsense. Nearly all of Hebrews 8 and 9 apply as does Lev. 17:11; 1 Peter 1:2 and 1 Peter 1:18 & 19; Rev. 1:5; 1 John 1:7. Choose whom you will believe: MacArthur and his lies or the Scriptures.

    I saw something and I said something. There is more of JM’s wickedness not mentioned here. Read his books and especially his “study bible” all of which contain more heretical doctrine. Read JM contradict himself in his SB in First John chapter one. He teaches repentance for all genuine Christians (which is true) but this contradicts his own “testimony” (GTY # 80-33). So which is it John?

    I fully expect nearly all who read this will continue to worship at MacArthur’s feet. If you do, that’s your problem. Choose this day whom you will serve.

    • John April 21, 2016 at 11:01 am #

      “Start with GTY sermon #80-33 and listen to JM tell everyone that he had no need for repentance “because he never did anything wrong” and later hear him say that he cannot tell you when he was “saved”. Is there any one born again who cannot remember that day and the graciousness of a kind and loving Savior?”

      That is very troubling. I Attend a reformed Presbyterian church and i have had a couple of people tell me this……..the last line of this sentence that is. I found that rather odd. I remember the day I became a Christian and I remember the outflow from that as well.

  3. Faith April 20, 2016 at 4:41 pm #

    Hi all,

    1. YES! We are to warn all of anything we are aware of. That is what the bible teaches, so that one is a no brainer. Although we can’t reach them all, we should do so with whatever crosses our path. If we all do this, then everyone will hear the warnings they need. What they do with the info. is on their own heads.

    2. I have done this all over the place in many different settings. One of them does happen to be discernment ministries as well. Although many are good in many ways, no one is aware of everything. In churches also, some are merely ignorant and gullible, while others are sinister wolves intending to infiltrate and deceive. We can’t know all the background workings, but all we are accountable for is to deliver the truth whenever possible. So yes, see something, and say something. If one is worrying about losing friends, etc., then their priorities are not aligned correctly with the Lord’s as His command was to carry our crosses and deny ourselves as His disciples.

    3. One item I keep running into is this as well. On certain discernment sites, they hold John MacArthur and certain others up as an idol on a pedestal, regardless of their heresies. As if they can ‘say no wrong,’ or it is somehow brushed under the rug and excused. Yet these are obvious heresies, no denying it as the one above recorded and I am aware of many of them and others also (heresies like that). Then, another item I see is a post that will attack a petty issue, yet promote a much worse heresy or false belief. Examples abound. So, these things are encountered all around and we need to address them as we run across them.

    Keep up the good fight!

  4. Dave April 20, 2016 at 5:36 pm #

    I myself find this ironic,but very sad. On one hand they preach discernment, and on the other hand they preach from unholy, false versions of the Bible. How is that discernment? Like speaking from both sides of your mouth. There is one God, one Word (literally and spiritually), one Holy Spirit, an yet three in one.

    Look at the history of the Bible, the manuscripts (older is not always better). How many people died defending the NIV, ESV, NKJV et al? Who was Wescott and Hort? Their background, beliefs

    Open a blue letter bible app an compare they all say something different. There has to be a perfect Bible, without errors. If God cannot preserve his Word, for this day and age, in English, then how can he preserve your soul?

    • Sola Scriptura April 22, 2016 at 9:28 pm #

      Dave – good message. I was a huge NIV guy for decades, until my wife read through 6 versions and noticed something different about the KJV. I hated and disregarded the KJV entirely…but as an attorney I trust hard evidence. Six or so months of deep study lead me to a conclusion I didn’t want…the KJV is the only legitimate english Bible version – the only one that hasn’t been deliberately altered, both in the 200’s, 300’s and 1800’s…and the altered the Greek, which was incredibly brilliant. Below is a brief outline of what I found. I challenge all christians to take this issue seriously, since the written word is the voice of God to us all:
      https://followingjesuschrist3.com/2015/10/24/the-bible-version-controversy-a-brief-history/

  5. Linda April 21, 2016 at 8:03 am #

    It’s a common assumption that arguing for the truth (warning people of false teachers and false teachings) and being respectful to other people are always opposed-disjunctive syllogism. We can’t do both. You either are kind to other people, meaning accepting everyone’s views and never discriminating, or you are hateful and contentious by standing firm on what you believe is true.

    The 2 are not mutually exclusive. The Apostle Paul didn’t see this supposed contradiction and nor did Peter. –Galatians 2:11-14. Acts 20:28-32.

    It is our job to “cast down reasonings and every high thing that is exalted against the knowledge of God” (2 Corinthians 10:5).

    It is our job to be aware of and warn people of false teachers/teachings. That’s the most loving thing to do. -2 Peter 2:1

    It is our job to Admonish one another-2 Thess. 3:14, Romans 15:14

    Peter, aware of different ways and argument can be conducted, specifically reminded his readers to offer their reasoned defense “with gentleness and respect” (1 Peter 3:15). Paul wrote: “the Lord’s bondservant must not quarrel, but gentle toward all, apt to teach, forbearing, in meekness correcting those who oppose themselves” (2 Timothy 2:24).

  6. Faith April 21, 2016 at 12:36 pm #

    Exactly Linda!

    In fact, they go hand in hand.
    By loving them, you warn them. By warning them, you love them.
    By not warning them, you fail to love them. You fail to love them by not warning them.

    Which tender, merciful, kind, loving and caring parent does not know this principle?!?
    But thinks instead; “Oh, I will let Johnny go around with that crowd, get on drugs, go drunk driving, bar hopping, getting girls knocked up, etc.etc., because if I were to warn him, well then…. that just would not be… “loving” “. God warns us, we are to warn others, there are a hundred bible verses about doing that and I have a list ready because I did the homework. Plus, it’s just plain ol’ common sense!

    A note to Dave: God did preserve His Word, the Old KJV is one example, there is a nice amount of homework for that lesson too. And He does save and preserve our soul, mine is proof.
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