NOTE: The reason for writing/posting about this is not to point fingers at the world, but to ask questions of the visible Church. A big shift is happening, and many are going along with the cultural tsunami rather than make waves being set apart.
This time of year many Christians share beautiful hymns and music commemorating Christ’s first coming foretold in the Old Testament. Yes, most of us are aware that He wasn’t born on December 25. But those of us who celebrate Christmas are doing so because we are joyful that He appeared. And of course we are incredibly thankful for His reason: To give his life as a ransom for many.
So when we hear a beautiful piece of music remembering this amazing advent – a gorgeous a capella song sung by a choir, for instance – we can be overwhelmed with incredible thanksgiving.
One of the most talented new groups singing carols is Pentatonix, a five-member band who has more talent than most of us have ever heard before. I see my friends posting their music videos, and am struck with wonder at how perfectly harmonized these singers are together.
Which brings me to a rather delicate point: Two of the male members of this group are openly homosexual, and actively promoting LGBTQ initiatives. That breaks my heart, because I know it breaks God’s. One thing I need to make clear: Christians must not be pointing fingers at others who are in sin. Yes, Christians are commanded to hold each other to His standard of holiness and love, but we forbidden from judging the world. No, the reason I am bringing this up is because the very people who are supposed to be salt and light (that’s you and me), are more than willing to partake in promoting any brand as long as it’s good. This band is a brand, and it is very good (talented). But they are also being celebrated for something else:
As if their talent wasn’t enough, they’re also big supporters of the LGBT community. Two members of the group are openly gay, Mitch Grassi and Scott Hoying. While competing on “The Sing-Off” Pentatonix visited The Trevor Project headquarters and recorded a PSA for the organization that aired during the season finale. The Trevor Project is the leading national organization providing crisis intervention and suicide prevention services for LGBTQ youth. However, according to The Back Lot, NBC edited the PSA before it aired taking out all of the LGBT references. SOURCE: Fenux -Southern with a gay twist
Also, Pentatonix beat-boxer Kevin Olusola is a professed Christian and has worked with Michael Gungor, who recently had to withdraw from a local Christian concert venue after word got out that he doesn’t believe in a literal Genesis, and that Jesus either may have been wrong when He mentioned Jonah, Abraham, Adam and Eve, the flood and Noah to His disciples.
What are the advantages and disadvantages of being one of two gay members of Pentatonix?
There are actually more advantages than disadvantages. I think it’s a great thing. I love that our fans are so accepting of it. It’s amazing; it makes me feel so close to them.
Some people might say that being openly gay in the music business might deter you from having a career, but I don’t think that’s true. My career, as a queer person, has been pretty successful. We’re still on our way up, but I think we’ve been doing an amazing job.
I love the support. I’m proud. SOURCE :GA Voice Speaking out
When members of any musical group are openly celebrating unrepentant sin, how do we react? First, we pray for their salvation, that God would soften their hearts toward Him and that He would send witnesses to them. What’s happening though, is the visible Church is not praying that prayer. Instead it is celebrating diversity and tolerance for sin, making doctrinal compromises to fit in with the changing culture. Knowing that this is the big elephant in the sanctuary, we can do something: We can stand on God’s Word as truth. We can also stop promoting a brand that represents unrepentant sin.
The good news is that there is Good News. Christ came so that we could be forgiven. He died for even the most wretched among us, even me. There is a stack of gifts that awaits those who trust on Him as their Lord and Savior, repent, and trust Him alone: Forgiveness, a new heart and a regenerated life that is His forever.
Good word! Keep standing on what’s right!
Wait? so you have a problem with them for being applauded for trying to stop kids from killing them selves? I don’t think there is any biblical basis to condemn people for helping kids. Or would you rather the gay kids all kill them selves anyway?
Brenna, you seem to be intentionally misrepresenting the intent of the article. The issue is not their efforts to “stop kids from killing themselves.” Nor were they “condemning people for helping kids.” The point is that the church is openly supporting and promoting that which is blatantly against God when supporting bands like this.
You are a real moron, you know that?
Is this issue really new? Haven’t we been buying Christmas records of Dean Martin, Bing Crosby many other secular people? Maybe the difference is they were not gay. If so, that is a difference but they were not always promoting other Christian virtures. I agree that it would be nice if there was a Godly group that had the same quality as the Pentatonix that we as Christians could support. I am happy that they have made it fashionable to sing songs about Jesus and his sacrificial gifts. It is sad that the message is coming from those who only embrace commericalism.
Oh my GOD JESUS CHRIST PLUS THE HOLY SPIRIT(haha i hoped that ticked you off).
“it would be nice if there was a Godly group that had the same quality as the Pentatonix”
It would be fcking nice if there was more LGBTQ+ representation for the queer community in music because all i see are straight people.
It would be fcking nice if there weren’t god-awful christian bigots spewing garbage from their mouths. (example you and example berean research)
It would be fcking mighty nice if you leave religion out of people’s music.
It would be nice if you would stop polluting Christian websites with your garbage.
Go and enjoy yourself in the lgbtxurwe4!783fks+ deviant community, pedophile community, necrophilia community, retard community, brainwashed morons community, atheist bigot community and other trash bins like that.
Calling us bigots while dropping the f-bomb on what we follow? How mature. I actually didn’t see one bigoted thing about this article. The author said it was a sin to be homosexual, and so it shouldn’t be celebrated. That’s it. They didn’t say, “Kill the gays” now did they?
Ask any KKK member and they don’t think they are bigots either.
Homosexuality is NOT a behavior so it’s can’t be a sin.
Gay people have all the same range of behaviors that everybody else does, Some sin some not.
No actual behavior (like dating someone you love) is sin for a gay person and God’s will for someone else.
Everyone sins, difference is that Christians have been saved, and no longer wish to be in what the bible defines as sin. Adding a rose colored sentimental tinge (dating, romance, love) to a practice clearly define as an abomination in scripture does not change the fact of what it is. David, homosexuality is sin.
Christians aren’t automatically “saved” just because they say a canned prayer (I thought repetitious prayer is wrong… guess not) in front of a fake congregation. You actually have to DO things to get to heaven (James 2:24). Having faith is only a small part of salvation.
Good morning Rick,
Can you name the things the we must “DO” to get to heaven?
Ephesians 2:8-9
8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.
Paul and James contrast each other, good works are the evidence and fruit of faith, BUT it doesnt necessarily prove saving faith, as there many “good” atheists that do charitable works……Yet are lost. Faith and salvation are both undeserved gifts from God. If I say I’m a Christian and there’s no evidence whatsoever of ANY fruit in my life then I would examine myself to see if I’m in the faith and not deceived
2 Corinthians 13:5
5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.
Practicing himosexuality, that is, doing gay sex and,the physical turn-ons that lead to it, is definitely wrong. Even if a person feels sexual attraction, they don’t have to act on it
ur not straight either?
thought i was the only one left.
Mark, I don’t believe this is new at all (certainly isn’t new in my lifetime anyway). You’re correct that every year people go out and spend money on music “about Jesus” by people who clearly have no reverence for God. Perhaps the homosexual aspect is what has made people stop and think in this case, but that simply reiterates the sad state “the church” is in. Would it make any sense to get in the car of an unbelieving family member and hearing “In Christ Alone” or “Victory in Jesus” playing in the car and then singing aloud? You know, hearing them sing about the God they don’t believe in? That would not only be hyocritical, it would be sinful.
Exodus 20:7
“Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.”
So why is it acceptable to do just that when it comes to celebrating the birth of our Lord? Why would we, by purchasing their music, encourage their hypocrisy in “praising” a God they don’t know?
this article is irrelevant, extra and basic.
What the fuck is the ppint of thia. Self-rightwous twat.
Good article. For some people talent and the entertainment factor is all that counts. Music and media are the perfect brainwashing tool. Unfortunately those corrupted mainstream Christianity, too.
The obvious issue that people seem to be missing in these comments … THESE FOLKS PROFESS TO BE CHRISTIANS “. Therefore we have the right and the duty to hold them accountable. The fact that Christians don’t want to do that is very telling. “For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?” – 1 Peter 4:17
Yes, I would have to agree that if someone professes to be a Christian they must be held accountable. 1Cor. 5:11 is clear on this. ” But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is CALLED A BROTHER be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.”
If in 2016 so much people think like you our world has a really big problem. I’m really sad for your close mind?
Good morning Alessia,
The year, the age or the day doesn’t matter……………What matters is what is written in scripture, what God says, not man. Sadness should be reserved for the lost, we must reach them for Jesus. Homosexuality is roundly condemned by God. He destroyed two cities because of it and left it as reminder for future generations. Are you a Christian? If you are let your heart ache for the lost, reach out to homosexuals, tell them what God says. Or are you afraid to be labeled a homophobe? Will you stand with God or man? This is the cost of following Christ, you will be hated because of what He said.
Well said, Manny.
Wow, how sad you and others don’t understand that what was considered acceptable in Biblical times is no longer accepted today as a result of our ability to learn and evolve. The Bible condones stoning but I would hope we all could agree that this is not ok so why can’t SOME Christians realize God gave us the awesome power of learning and discernment. We now know one’s sexuality or gender identity is not a choice one makes like choosing to murder another human being or choosing to be ignorant of science. Jesus would be appalled that you choose to not use your God given ability to learn and grow. I suspect those who say they take everything in the Bible as literal and not allegorical would not condone some of the methods used to dispense justice in the Bible but will cling to this belief that gays are sinners that was borne simply out of ignorance at the time because they are uncomfortable with homosexuality and use the Bible justify their own sin which is hate. Evolve and grow as Christians!!
“Wow, how sad you and others don’t understand that what was considered acceptable in Biblical times is no longer accepted today as a result of our ability to learn and evolve.”
Good evening Vicki,
That’s not what God said, He is unchanging, His word is unchanging, there’s no turning of shadow with Him. Learn and evolve means accept what the world says is correct and proper, God is judging this world as we speak, it’s sad you don’t understand scripture, if you’re a Christian I would urge you to sit down and read scripture.
You can think what you want, but one day you will stand in accounts for every word your tongue idoly speaks. Its historical and proven itself to me and you or the world can not change what I know to be true. And only a Catholic would bring up the stoning part. Jesus had made this transforming with the adulterous in the streets. Some people may think they are different, but the arm of God shall not be shortened.
Christianity does not evolve. Society de-evolves, corrupts itself by jettisoning The Word, God nor His word change, wickedness grows and tries to change The Word to fit into its sins. That’s why many of the youth are corrupt. Thanks to wolves behind pulpits not teaching from scripture has led to the crisis in the youth.
Numbers 23:19
Hebrews 13:8
James 1:17
You do realize that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, don’t you? I believe that homosexuals were born that way. Would you prefer that a gay man marry your daughters instead of being true to who he is? I hope you hold the same high standards to divorcees. Wouldn’t want to promote divorce by listening to music by a fornicator.
You do realize what God said about it, what He did to two cities? You do know what the apostles said about it right? What the Bible says? Roundly condemned. Sorry Debbie there’s no genetic evidence to support the gay lobby lie of “we were born this way.” The human genome project was lobbied to find a “gay” gene in order to legitimize that claim, it wasn’t ever found. I don’t have the time, but the Bible is very clear. Listening to worldly music is the same as reading worldly magazines and books, if they don’t exhort God they most likely exhort man. We are in the world, but not of it, as Paul said.
They never found a left-handed gene either. Christians once believed they were sinning too.
Yes there by destroying the false narrative promulgated by psychology for years…….”you were born this way.”
No, not Christians but, silly superstitious people. If you were to read scripture there’s no passage about a left handed person being specifically living in sin BECAUSE they were left handed.
If you find that let me know, as people sometimes follow superstitious and ridiculous notions such as knocking on wood for luck, a pagan ritual.
Yes Christians…that is exactly what they called themselves exactly as you do. History always repeats itself. I would say you are just as silly and superstitious (although harmful) and years from now Christianity will refer to you as such. Remember the christian youth of today do not have the same attitude in general to gay people as you do. Christianity will evolve just has in has done for hundreds of years.
The Bible presents the right hand as the hand of strength (Exodus 15:6; Psalm 118:16). Sitting at someone’s right hand is considered a position of honor (Psalm 110:1). The right hand is consistently valued over the left hand in Scripture (Genesis 48:13-18; Galatians 2:9). The left hand is not of God as they believed. The bible can be used as a weapon for every culture war throughout history.
You don’t believe the Bible you believe in an interpretation one that is popular in religious groups today. That will evolve with different generations.
I’m not going to convince you, but I will defend the people you seek to harm. You have no right to tell other people what sin is. How about treating others with respect and let God sort out what is sin.
Debbie,
Sorry, Jesus made an anti-homosexual statement by default when he said:
Haven’t you read, He created them male and female; a man is to leave his parents and become one with his wife.
That verse CLEARLY states that God created us male and female and that is the relation we are to have.
On the other hand, using your argument, Jesus DID NOT ENCOURAGE homosexuality.
If homosexuality is normal then why are homosexuals so afraid of reparative therapy?
If they are normal, there is nothing that can change them so why are they afraid of this therapy?
The simple answer: They know they are wrong.
Of course David, you are more concrned with how you are perceived by society. I do not believe in harming anyone, but we are commanded to warn anyone and everyone engaged in sin, that calls themselves a brother in Christ.
And you are correct, I will never be convinced that homosexuality is OK or its not sin. As long as this democracy lasts we have the right to espouse and expound scripture, though those days are growing short. As for Christianity lasting for generations, you have to open your eyes to see what is happening in the world to know our chapter of history is coming to a quick end.
I most surely believe in the bible as passed down through generations, and the texts received, I don’t believe in man or his warped sense of what constitutes sin or does not. The right hand vs left controversy is just a strawman to give credence to something completely abhorent and called an abomination. You defend what you believe, that’s your right, then one day you’ll have to explain why you didn’t warn those trapped in homosexuality, why your sensibilities mattered more.
You no doubt belong to the “don’t judge” generation, in which scripture has to bend to the whims of political correctness and what society considers appropriate.
“You don’t believe the Bible you believe in an interpretation one that is popular in religious groups today. That will evolve with different generations.”
God’s word does not change, like God doesn’t change. Cultures change, decay and pass into the dustbin of the past. This generation is unique, the bible says the persecution against Christians will begin from others that call themselves Christians…….family will turn against family and betray them.
“I’m not going to convince you, but I will defend the people you seek to harm. You have no right to tell other people what sin is. How about treating others with respect and let God sort out what is sin.”
By your reasoning, the apostles had no right either, specially Paul since under the guidance of the Holy Spirit he wrote “Romans 1:24-27:
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.”
I guess it’s better to be perceived as “good tolerant Christian” than a narrow minded bigotted one, right? I’d rather be hated for telling the truth than be loved for being a gentle liar. This generation has been corrupted by false teachings.
Manny, you keep claiming that the word of God is inviolate and unchanging, but that is patently false. Any “word of God” is one that has been interpreted/written by man through millennia. So not only has it been filtered through men, but through countless generations of translation and transcription. The printing press didn’t even come into existence more than 1000 years AFTER the dawn of Christianity. Your fixation and fixity on the “truth” of Biblical content is more a reflection of your dogged intransigence than it is of reality or historical accuracy, to say nothing of philosophical merit.
Religion in any culture is a function of superstition, moralism and social organization; it has no basis in science. What is particularly grievous is that when you cling to a narrative predicated on assurances and judgments from such human-constructed sources/phenomena, and yet claim that the righteousness emerges from an imaginary and supreme being, you are not only swaddling yourself in myth and falsity, but you also actively demean others who have not surrendered to such an illusion-fueled world view. Indeed, the claimants of virtue are frequently those who are most crippled when it comes to demonstrations of genuine equity, understanding, benevolence, tolerance and wisdom. The irony is positively staggering.
I trust that someone as deeply sold on Christian mythology as you is beyond the broadened ken of modern enlightenment, so I may be wasting my breath, but the aforementioned seems worth sharing nonetheless… Christopher
Why would an atheist even bother reading Berean Research?
“Manny, you keep claiming that the word of God is inviolate and unchanging, but that is patently false.”
Psalm 119:89-90: “89Forever, O LORD, Your word is settled in heaven. 90Your faithfulness continues throughout all generations; You established the earth, and it stands.’
“I trust that someone as deeply sold on Christian mythology as you is beyond the broadened ken of modern enlightenment.”
Psalm 14:1: The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds; There is no one who does good. 2The LORD has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men To see if there are any who understand, Who seek after God.…
“so I may be wasting my breath,”
Yes you are…..
” but the aforementioned seems worth sharing nonetheless…”
It would be worth sharing if I was an athiest, perhaps then it would mean something.
As you thought to advise some who is sold on Jesus Christ, I would advise you to seek after Him, time is running out.
One last thing: you consider yourself a champion of those I seek to “harm” since I pass judgement on the sinfulness of homosexuality… I guess this makes you a hypocrite, as you clearly state below:
“Yes Christians…that is exactly what they called themselves exactly as you do. History always repeats itself. I would say you are just as silly and superstitious (although harmful) and years from now Christianity will refer to you as such.”
You pass judgement on me friend, according to your kind tongue I’m silly and superstitious, oh and harmful……. I’m all those because I stand for the word of God, but your bad theology is OK, because it’s loving? And non-judgemental?
Oh before I forget, can you clarify these so called Christians who had an issue with the hands? Nothing I can see that supports your opinion.
“Remember the christian youth of today do not have the same attitude in general to gay people as you do. Christianity will evolve just has in has done for hundreds of years”
Christianity does not evolve. Society de-evolves, corrupts itself by jettisoning The Word, God nor His word change, wickedness grows and tries to change The Word to fit into its sins. That’s why many of the youth are corrupt. Thanks to wolves behind pulpits not teaching from scripture has led to the crisis in the youth.
Numbers 23:19
Hebrews 13:8
James 1:17
David,
As Manny pointed out, neither God nor His Word changes, or “evolves” as you falsely presume. The concept of evolving is to get “better.” How can a perfect God improve? How can a perfect book become any more perfect? And whom might be doing the perfecting if God is apparently in need of some developmental growth Himself?
Regarding what you presume about people’s morality changing from generation to generation, even you don’t agree with yourself on that as you likewise state that “history always repeats itself.” Well, there you are correct. As Solomon stated,
Ecclesiastes 1:9
“The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.”
Certainly homosexuality is nothing new. Even it being socially acceptable isn’t new; just check out the Roman empire to see how perfectly common homosexual and pediphilic relationships were. But relying on a particular generation’ view as to whether or not something is sin is also inconsistent with what other positions you take. You say no one can tell someone what they do is sin (would you consider it sin for someone to do so?), but then point to young people’s beliefs today to prove you’re right. Does that mean past generations were right in their time, that homosexuality was in fact sinful then but isn’t anymore since people have seemingly changed their mind?
No one actually thinks that the “majority” gets to decide what’s right and wrong. If so, homosexuality would not be a protected class, as most Americans do not agree with it. No, only God can determine what is right and wrong – and He already has. These laws are a natural reflection of His character which cannot change. Now it’s seems reasonable to presume that you are not a born-again believer, based on your flippant attitude toward God and your disdain for His Word. You of course can decide to makeup whatever religion you want that says homosexual is a-okay, but don’t call it Christianity; that name’s already taken.
But of course it makes much more sense to instead seek out the truth about Whom God is, what He says, why He says it. We know that what we believe doesn’t change reality, that’s why we’ve chosen to accept the truth this reality so clearly and undeniably evidences. Seek it out. Seek HIM out.
Eli,
I realize you do not know where the Bible comes from. You say it does not change. I’m speaking of fact not opinion. The Bible has changed constantly throughout time. The Bible you read today are English translations and there are many of them. But they all suffer from the same problem. As people copied the Bible by hand their own prestigious crept into the text. It is the job of a textural critic to determine when these changes occurred and which is the older form of text. Unfortunately we do not have original copies of the Bible and no one knows what the originals said completely.
I fully understand your ideology. Check if I’m right. You believe the Bible is God’s word. Never changing. You do not interpret, God’s word is clear. He said it…you believe it… that settles it. Everyone who disagrees with you are not only disagreeing with you, they dare disagree with God. All Christians with beliefs that are different than yours in the past and future have got it wrong deceived by the Devil. It is the way you think is it not?
I disagree with your ability to determine God’s will from reading the Bible as you do.
You say I made up my own version of religion. I can say the same thing about you. Your belief is nothing more than a snapshot in time. You cling to your beliefs as the world changes around you. You probably think the end times are upon us. Which is what Christians have believed for nearly 2 thousands years. I guess some things don’t change. I guess they were all wrong but you have it right now.
As far as sexual orientation is concerned. Your claim that most Americans do not agree with it is no longer true. They are better educated.
What do we agree on? Well I don’t believe the majority get to decide what is right and wrong. This is why the constitution protects minority classes against the Christians who sought to harm them. The Christians who were the majority didn’t believe in equal rights.
Look we are not going to agree. But understand this. I live my life with as high moral standards as I see them. You do not agree with them, but my intentions are in the right place. I see the way you think as very harmful to today’s youth. Gay kids are still killing themselves in part because of what you teach them. They believe God doesn’t love them for who they are and they can’t change. They worry about being accepted by their own family and see no place for them in God’s place.
Good evening Eli,
Unfortunately moral relativity, compromise, and scriptural ambiguity has rapidly become the trademark of churchianity, moral absolutes have been discarded for feel-good, man centered philosophy. This has been foretold long ago, we have the bride and what calls it self church, which it is not. As the devil counterfeits God’s plan, it makes perfect sense we will have counterfei, man-made religion alongside the invisible church. Homosexuality is one door the devil is using to shape the new coming religion, earth worship, eastern practices, creation worship……all these will lead to Mystery Babylon, eventually it will lead to Antichrist worship.
Absolutely agreed, Manny.
I don’t understand how you are like we must stop toleranating this sin. Ever sin is equal, none greater than the other. If you work on Sunday that’s the same as them being gay. I understand it goes against your beliefs and you want to help them, which is great.
However gays are just like us no different beside who they love, you can help them try to teach them but to judge them is a sin again, only god can judge them so once you try to help and they don’t accept let them be and they will met their maker when the time comes.
Tay said:
“Ever sin is equal, none greater than the other”
No. All sin leads to death but all sin is not equal. In the Old Testament some sins carried a more severe penalty (murder, adultery, bestiality, homosexuality…) other sins such as theft was pay back 5 X or 4 X…
Also there are differing degrees of punishment in judgment in the eternal.
It’s true all sin leads to separation from God but not all sin is equal.
There is also greater commandments…
Tay you are wrong, you are not rightly dividing the word of God. Encouraging sin may be a greater sin in the coming judgement.
Thank “God” people like you are the minority.
Brainwashed bigots. How does homosexuality hurt or affect you in anyway? Why should your personal beliefs infringe on someone else’s? What gives you the right?
You want to live in a country run by religion? Move to Iran.
Jesus came to abolish the old law as instructed he do, that which was in the old testament So, things did change and Jesus came to show us the way by his example, his word and messages.
No, not a country run by religion. A “one nation under God”. 🙂 A country that remembers it’s roots of why and how it started. Being thankful for being blessed by God. Protected by God. To give God the credit for what He has done. I praise God for songs that point to Him and clearly share the message of who He is. I enjoy how God has gifted people musically and know He works in awesome ways to draw people unto Himself. So may His kingdom come and His will be done in our lives and our nation!!! And may our hearts, lives and nation turn back to God:) Merry Christmas everyone!!! Jesus is truly the reason for this season and this song!
Pretty sure the “reason for the season” goes back before Jesus. Christians just used a convienet story to spread their agenda.
Not everyone believes in God, luckily. So why should your religion be allowed to infringe on their way of life? Their legal way of life I should add.
A “one nation under God”. was added in 1954, not by our Founding fathers. Many of them didn’t even believe in God. While George Washington was a believer, he was quite clear that our country will not be ruled by a religion.
What does “one nation under God” have to with scripture? It doesn’t change that fact that sin is sin. Misguided people have tried to politicize Christianity, it doesn’t work, you can’t mix Christianity with anything else. Politicized Churchianity is very easy to spot, the NAR being a prime example, it is disingenuous to call this a Christian nation, it is not, since 1973 this so called Christian nation has murdered over 57 million babies, this nation, on a governmental level has adopted the most heinous sins as the law of the land, is it any wonder why society is crumbling? Soon enough a leader will arise, this leader will appeal to society, especially those involved in Churchianity, he will let graft and deceit prosper, yes he will be appealing indeed, he might even be a homosexual and\or a hater of women. You can keep this world, it’s headed to perdition.
Ummm last time I checked Christianity didn’t start in the United States. It stated over seas in Jerusalem. The Indians who lived on the American soil we walk on didn’t know of Jesus or god. Just wanted to point out that flaw in the beginning of your statement
So here is how I feel, the band in question makes me happy when I hear them. GOD wants me to be happy. He also said that it is not our place to judge. He will do that on judgment day. AND these songs are christian songs and these men are singing them with such passion. The Lord loves all, and thwe is only one that’s right ONE unforgivable sin. Look it up. I love this band. What happened to love thy neighbor?
Thank you Catie, it’s nice to see a Christian opinion that is more Christ-like
Christians don’t want to rule this world or any world for that matter, our king is Jesus Christ. Where you get it wrong is when you lump bible believing Christians with Churchianity, that believes it will conquer the world for Christ. What we are commanded to warn, admonish, exhort and encourage. We are commanded to guard the bride against error, we as Christians judge those that proclaim to be brothers and sisters in Christ. The outside world we are not to judge. The problem is when faux Christians expound that homosexuality is compatible with Holy Scripture, it’s not. They appeal to extra biblical knowledge that has no basis whatsoever in scripture.
Catie, though your sentiments sound warm and wonderful, the standard is not how we feel about something, it’s what God says, many twist scripture to fit their narrative of a low view of scripture. It’s quite a sad thing to “love” a person to hell, because one is more concerned with how society views them. But then again, do you believe there is a hell? Or that God will judge us? There’s nothing wrong with righteous judgement, there is something wrong with self righteous judgement, the bible is very clear on this, we judge our own, not those on the outside. We don’t agree with or support homosexuality as God called it a sin, we don’t tell people how to live their lives, or how they should, the hypocrisy comes from those that call themselves Christians and want us to think what they think, they get outraged if we don’t follow they’re sin…….. Jesus said we will betrayed by those calling themselves Christian, who have an outward appearance of holiness, but really deny it’s power. If Satan sang a pretty Christian song, how would you feel? Even the servants of Satan dress up as angels of light. Christian music is a business, it dies not promote holiness nor the person of Jesus Christ, it does however produce lots of money for those wanting to make money off the undiscerning.
Hi Manny,
Have you read the entire Bible? If so, what version/translation?
I notice use phrases telling us “What God says”. Does this mean that the Bible is God’s actual English words?
Hello David,
Over the course of 54 years I would say 10- 11 times, from Genesis to Revelation, versions I’ve read NIV, NKJV, of late KJV. I know where you’re going with this, it’s all distorted, right? Textus Receptus, etc., etc………..
Thanks for replying. I’m happy you read so many different translations. I’ll be a lot disturbed if you just dismiss where I’m going without serious explanation. If God wrote something, I would certainly want to know EXACTLY what it was. I mean if you use the term “God says” I would think you would want to be absolutely sure you got it verbatim. Why wouldn’t you? The NIV, NKJV and KJV are all different.
Clearly you understand that all the versions you read are translated from copies that are different from the originals. Yet you still read them and say “God says” while dismissing man’s influence in the text. How can you do that so easily?
The core truths are still there…….. Salvation doctrines are the same, sin is still sin, the variation within texts are not significant enough to warrant discarding a passage, colloquial Greek versus formal Greek wasn’t that much apart……As for man and his meddling, it’s inspired and finally produced by The Holy Spirit. One thing that cannot be denied, the big elephant in the room, eschatology……… If one is honest enough to see what is happening this very moment in world history/politics there’s no doubt the book of Revelation, is being accurately fullfilled, from the astronomically impossible rebirth of Israel, the rebirth of Russia after economic implosion, China’s rise and its challenge to the world, it has begun a slow progressive march to project influence in the middle East, to the more “mundane” events of monetary policy being slowly rolled out across the globe, from India and its current crisis to Australia and here at home, in which a small town in Louisiana is rolling out a pilot program to go cashless. A book so controversial and according to modern faux theologians “just allegorical” seems to be proving critics of every stripe wrong. So the word marches on being fulfilled. David, the old and tired argument of “man distorted the word of God can be put to rest, if they got Revelation correct, they got the rest correct. But again, it’s all about faith, right?
You completely missed the BIG elephant. You claim God says something when what you mean is Man says god says. The big picture is made up from all the little details that man gets wrong and just fills in what he wants them to say.
You tell me it’s inspired and produced by the Holy Spirit. I think the Holy Spirit could have produced something without mistakes. Here is the real big question.
If God performed the miracle of inspiring his word, why couldn’t he perform the miracle of preserving his word? Absolutely everything including death and salvation are based off text that is not what God inspired or wrote. We know this as fact because we can compare all the ancient texts to one another. Saving it was the most important part!
As for Revelations. Most theologians don’t even believe the book should be in the Bible in the first place. There were several different books of revelation. You can take any point in history and apply it to any of them after the fact. Easy to do when it is lacking any specifics. I can do the same with Nostradamus Quatrains. Christians have been saying that for over a thousand years. The end time was always just upon us. The fact is that the book of revelation was not written to Christians 2000 years into the future. It was written to Christians of that day telling them to hang on to their faith because the end is coming in their lifetime. It didn’t.
But we can agree on one thing. It’s all about faith….NOT fact. You have faith what you believe is correct. Just don’t go around saying “God says” Instead say I have faith that God meant this or that even if you can prove me wrong. There is a huge difference.
It’s R-E-V-E-L-A-T-I-O-N. NOT revelationS.
You obviously didn’t do an in-depth study.
All you have written is hear-say. I have read and heard the same trash from many atheists.
The sad part is when their feet was held to the fire they couldn’t support their claims.
The Bible, on the other hand, has over 5,500 extant manuscripts to support it. The errors are about .001%. Not enough to discount any of it.
No, you are one of those sad folks that wants man’s belief system to be correct so you can go on living the life you want without remorse.
I think, deep, down inside, you know that you are living in sin and it eats you up so you lash out with the nonsense you just wrote.
Considering any off-shoot of Christianity you have chosen to follow is born from someones disagreement with how the Bible was being interpreted and any “teaching of God” you are subscribing to now is the edited by MAN version…..which was changed to support whatever belief a group of people with enough power deemed to be “right” you really have NO CLUE how close the lessons taught in the Bible you read now are to the ones in the original text. You do know books have been removed and the text edited several times…..I mean let’s be real the religion of an entire kingdom was changed from Catholicism to Christianity to justify divorce. So you have zero clue what your God deems unholy. You CHOOSE to believe whatever someone tells you and thats A-OK but it doesn’t make your beliefs RIGHT they are yours and you are entitled to them. As for me I would much rather support groups that positively influence the world in a variety of ways.
“As for me I would much rather support groups that positively influence the world in a variety of ways.”—- Famous last words.
David, all I can say you and I don’t agree, and most likely never will. This is where I bid you adieu. I wish you well, perhaps one day God will open your eyes.
My brother, God bless you!
You really tried!
You are so right and I am sure God will reward you in due time
I am also praying for salvation…so many lost souls
Indeed God’s ways are higher than our ways
Many people don’t see it…
We are to judge within the body of Christ yes…. We aren’t to judge the world…. NEITHER OF The individuals that are openly gay are even the guy that professes to be Christian…. How do we know what the Christian member is saying or not saying to his friends that are in sin…how do we know what the Christian member is praying or not praying. This is not a Christian band, the gay members aren’t the Christian members (at least not stated in this article)what we have here is a Christian member of a secular band. Lots of secular singers have christmas albums.
wow, so their support of a group who helps SUICIDAL HUMAN BEINGS is a reason not to share their videos? right on, christ follower.
Yes, the Bible does say to not judge lest you be judged. But it also says when judging, judge righteously, which means we not be the judge, the Word judges and says its a sin and not acceptable. We are to not hate them but tell them the truth and lead them to repentance, and when you you have done all you can, stand. That means to shun them and not partake with them. We must be a friend to sinners but to not be acceptable to there sins. To go along with them and say its ok is the same as being a part of it. Scripture says it and that finishes it. The devil can make things seem beautiful and splender, but he was the angel that sang, so of coarse he can make good music. Jesus did not come to the world to condemn the world, but the world threw him might be saved. Repent, turn from your wicked ways and you shall be saved. Does a Christian have devil worshiper friends and go to their ceremonies, I think not. Do they watch nasty movies, I hope not. There is a difference between a carnal Christian and a spiritual Christian. One goes to church and worships that day and the other days of the week do ungodly things and allows sin into there life and home, spiritual Christians worship God daily and in constant communication with Christ and makes a stand for God and “all” his righteousness. Sin is sin not matter what color you paint it or how goo it looks, feels or sounds.
why the crap do you belive all this mess bout the bible. it ain’t true ya know.
I was intentionally researching Pentatonix because my son had me watch the Hallelujah video and I came across your article. I too, am a Christian so I was very interested in what you had to say. I was glad to receive the factual information about the members but I felt something odd as I read on and on. My heart drew back and it made me wonder why. Gosh, maybe I just read wrongly into your words, after all, it is technology but…….I lost the heart of Christ in your article towards the end. My saying that doesn’t mean His heart wasn’t there but I nevertheless experienced that so, for me, as your sister it’s worth mentioning. Blessings to the entire body of Christ in hopes we all get it right as He raises us up to carry His presence.
Jesus said. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?” Matthew 7:3
I am a Christian and I love Pentatonix. I have their CDs, I listen to their music nonstop, I follow them all on twitter, I love them.
My favorite member is Mitch, the more openly gay one who is also a Christian. in fact every member is Christian except Avi who is Jewish.
On august,1st, 2012, Mitch said on twitter “I am a Christian man who also happens to be a homosexual. Neither of those things define me.”
someone replied saying “All other issues aside, shouldn’t being a Christian define you? Obviously, only if you’re doing it right, but still?”
Mitch replied to that by saying “we practice our religion in our own way. No one is to say who’s right or wrong. Only your deity has the authority to do so.”
I couldn’t think of a better way to say it. he is who he is and you shouldn’t stop listening and supporting pentatonix just because two of the members happen to be gay.
here is a link to the twitter conversation
https://twitter.com/mitchgrassi/status/230828508346187776
Homosexuality is not “speck” but a perversion of God’s creative order. Until you acknowledge that a blinding plank will remain in your eye and by trying not to be judgmental you will be unable to make a righteous judgment (John 7:24).
Proverbs 26:12 Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away. Isaiah 64:6
Charla
Isaiah is pointing out that we generate no righteousness of our own that is worthy of God’s acceptance. Righteousness comes from God by faith (Philippians 3:8-9). Are we to sin so grace may abound? No, according to Romans 6:1-4. Homosexuality is blatant disregard for God’s creative order. Scott and Mitch’s music is done in the energy of the flesh and thus is like filthy rags!
When Scott or Mitch say, in the name of Christ— “we practice our religion in our own way. No one is to say who’s right or wrong. Only your deity has the authority to do so” it becomes the business of the Body of Christ and this authority is found in the word of God. How many deities do you suppose Mitch believes there are? There is One and He created us male and female with male and female roles.
Amen brother, amen…….
Good afternoon Charla,
“Mitch replied to that by saying “we practice our religion in our own way. No one is to say who’s right or wrong. Only your deity has the authority to do so.”
Proverbs 4:12 “There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.”
“we practice our religion in our own way. No one is to say who’s right or wrong. Only your deity has the authority to do so.”
Proverbs 21:2 “Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the hearts.
Romans 1:25-27
…25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator, who is forever worthy of praise! Amen. 26For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27Likewise, the men abandoned natural relations with women and burned with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.”
A Tree and its Fruit
…21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’…
Mitch is acting arrogant and prideful, instead of encouraging his homosexuality, you who call herself a Christian should be praying for his soul.
“Jesus said. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?” Matthew 7:3”. What Jesus is speaking against here is not righteous biblically sound judging, He is talking about hypocritical, self righteous, self motivated, gossipy judgement, two totally different things.
As you say, “, I love them………My favorite member is Mitch,” then show him and them real love and pray for them. They need Christ in their lives.
I’m just saying that you need to love the sinner and hate the sin.
It’s fine to like their music and like them as people and still not agree with them on political views. what Scott and Mitch do and believe is their own business and it shouldn’t affect if you listen to their music or not.
I’m just saying that you need to love the sinner and hate the sin.
It’s fine to like their music and like them as people and still not agree with them on political views. what Scott and Mitch do and believe is their own business and it shouldn’t affect if you listen to their music or not.
Said so well, Charla!
No it’s not well said, it superficial, unscriptural and shows biblical ignorance, the road to hell is paved with “love” and acceptance. A road where truth and holiness have no place. In their defiance they will worship God as they please, live in their sin and be hellbound while no one shows them real love and points out their error, just because “hey we enjoy the music.” What utter ignorance.
Good reply Manny. Where does the bible say ‘love the sinner, hate the sin’? These clichés are not found in God’s word, rather, we are to warn sinners to flee the wrath to come.
Amen sister, it turns my stomach when people under the guise of “love” would rather let a person slide into the pit than to muster Christian courage and tell them the truth!
On a sidebar…….. Two major hurricanes hit the US and a major earthquake trashes Mexico City. I just went through Irma, by His grace and His grace alone we survived unscathed, all the glory goes to God, the Keys look like someone detonated a nuke, we only suffered five days of power loss. All these events will intensify and become more common place as history winds down. Reminds me of the passage in the Bible where people will hide in caves (bunkers) to try and escape Gids righteous judgement. Have you noticed the brisk business in underground bunkers? They even had TV shows showcasing this.
Yes, Lyn, this concept does not originate from the teachings of scripture – another slippery, feel good saying conceived of man. God’s word makes no distinction between the sin committed and the sinner committing the sin. The sinner will be judged for the sins he commits. The sinners are described by such names as wicked (Psalm 37:10), unrighteous (2 Peter 2:9), ungodly (Jude 1:15), workers of iniquity (Psalm 92:7), unholy (1 Timothy 1:9,10), and evildoers (Proverbs 24:19,20). They are identified by the sins they are guilty of committing in 1 Corinthians 6:9, 2 Timothy 3:2-5 and Revelation 22:15.
God hates the sin but loves the sinner isn’t in the bible but that God loves sinners definitely is.
Does God Love Everyone?
justifiedbychristalone.com/2011/07/07/does-god-love-everyone-video
God loves the whole world except Sheryl.
Hi Charla,
“like them as people and still not agree with them on political views.”
Yes, but we’re not talking politics, we’re talking about God, and the souls of two precious creatures God cares about……God takes no pleasure in the destruction of sinners, He is a loving God, but He is also Just and Holy, He loves us so much He gave His Son to die in our place, not greater love than that! Think about a Father giving up His Son to pay for the sins of strangers, it’s a gift we cannot ever pay back, it is unmerited and we will never deserve it! Mitch is taking that precious Holy gift and throwing it back at God, he will worship as he wants, he will behave as he wants, and he will do as he wants……….how does that make God feel? Pray for those young men that our Holy God will deliver them, but keep in mind that what they’re saying and doing is completely against what scripture says. If they were secular artists, fine it’s their choice to do and say what they wish, they would be outside the church, the problem starts when they put God in the mix, say they are gay, and put a spin on their homosexuality as if it’s ok with God, it’s not. God bless you Charla, I hope that helped!
Scott and Mitch have open discussions about things they do, like one of them went on a website showing men masturbating and showing little kids sexual parts, it disgusted me because any young boy or girl could have looked it up since he gave the name of the site, also is this site priming gays to become pedophiles? And some of their new solo work is pretty dark, talking about wanting to kill someone