WARNING ON HERETICAL BIBLE PROMOTED BY WND
The online Christian news source, WND (
World Net Daily), is promoting the Cepher Bible. This is a “Bible” endorsed by the Hebrew Roots movement which has teachings denying the Trinity and in many cases, the deity of Christ. WND has long been setting its sail to the unsteady winds of the Hebrew Roots Movement, including WND owner Joseph Farah publicly stating that the now
jailed Jim Staley is his pastor.
Marcia points to the addition of non-canonical books, as promoted by WND:
The Hebrew word eth (את) means divine and the Hebrew word cepher means book, scroll, letter or writing. Hence, the את CEPHER is the “Divine Book”. This unique collection restores much of what has been removed and/or incorrectly interpreted in the Bible for centuries!. As such, the Cepher 2nd Edition:
• Sets forth a translation, rather than a substitution, of the names of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
• Includes all of the 74 previously canonized books, plus another 13 books considered to be inspired and/or historically significant such as Chanok (Enoch) & Yovheliym (Jubilees) from the Dead Sea Scrolls, as well as Yashar (Jasher), 2-4 Ezra (Esdras), 1-2 Baruk, and 1-4 Makkabiym (Maccabees) – all published in the chronological order of their writing.
• Transliterates over 3,100 Hebrew names without substitution.
• Restores an accurate chronological order to the books.
• Corrects the errors (for the first time) in the Song of Solomon, in Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 14, in Zakaryahu (Zechariah) 5, in Matthew 23, and corrects other notorious errors that are found in virtually all previous English translations.
• Restores the 29th chapter of the Acts of the Apostles chronicling Paul’s journey to Spain. source
You’ll want to see just how dangerous the Hebrew Roots movement is. Check out these articles:
One highlight to note: The Cepher is including the Book of Jasher, which many Christians have never heard of. Biblical scholars don’t believe The Book of Jasher is authentic. Got Questions has more on The Book of Jasher
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 2 Peter 2:1
I knew something was up when we quoted 1 Joh 4:3 on the replies below some articles referring to “the jews” as being of the antichrist spirit .
They banned my ip through disqus from ever posting again on WND .
Only by the grace of Jesus Christ was this little dude spared from that Hebrew roots cult . That cult seems to be EXACTLY what paul was teaching about in the book of galatians . As soon as we asked what bible the “pastor” was reading from we knew something was up . It was the NIV .
I say we , because remember what the prince of earthly preachers john the Baptist said ? Jesus Christ must increase and I must decrease . Remember what Jesus Christ said that ye cannot bear fruit without Jesus Christ ? So in essence does not saying “I did that” deny Jesus Christ His glory in bearing fruit ?
Walking with Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible is not an “I ” thing . So should we not all through the grace of the ONLY redeemer Jesus Christ purge out the notion of I .
When “I do something ” usually things do not go well eh
The Hebrew Roots Cult…. There are many similarities in mainstream Christianity. I do not know about the cult you are speaking, but what I do know is that I am Israelite and study the Word of YAH exactly as it is written. Be careful how you judge YAH’s people. Very careful. Be like the Bereans…examine what you hear by comparing it to the Old Testament Scriptures. Your expansion as a Believer can not be limited to those in your denomination or church, but extended to manyviz., male, female, gentile, or heathen. Bereans were a perfect example of how Believers should respond to biblical teaching, even if it is a teaching one has never heard. No denomination or person has a leg up on the Word of YAH. We must all grow spiritually.
It is still a man made translation. So what exactly is the, “Word of YAH exactly as it is written”?
Scripture reference in cepher Bible that says go out in the world and preach the world
The warning to “Be careful how you judge YAH’s people,” especially when further punctuated by “Very careful,” sounds like a threat. No claim to being of a special class or special tribe excuses you from the same exact moral standards as everyone else. Period.
Exactly! This person lacks much understanding and from the sounds of it is the very devil it’s trying to speak against. There is no cult following the scriptures just as you say and the history period! Know who the true Israelites were and are still Todah for it’s all in scripture. So these folks such as the one who wrote this crap wants to keep YAHUAH’S people blind, but no one nor book can do that because YAHUAH opened my eyes with the KJV. The only difference is the names have been restored not the context.
I have only had exposure to one such person in this ‘movement’. It is definitely a ‘movement’ as they think this is the only way. One trend observed was that in order to be in this movement, one has to pile up and collect many teachers 2 Timothy 4:3 . This is also a trend among most professing Christians who are not in this movement who feel they are exempt from these verses in 2 Timothy. Many of the concepts they teach on God’s nature are very good, but they can be learned from a natural reading of the Bible without the teachings of man. I would say this movement resulted from the whole counsel of God not being taught in most churches Acts 20:26-31 as the fellow I saw in this movement was bored at church and was learning nothing. Much of this all falls back on ones view of eschatology(deemed controversial for teaching and preaching in most churches)(see link https://bereanresearch.org/eschatology-end-times/ ). When we look at the first few chapters of 1 Corinthians, see that Paul only desired to give them milk for they were not ready for solid food. 1 Corinthians 2:1,2 and 1 Corinthians 3:1-3 . We see this concept also come up in Hebrews 5:12-14 . The Hebrew roots movement is particularly dangerous as it gives replacement theology a strong foothold in the church. Much of this comes from Paul’s letter to the Galatians. If we look closely at this letter, we see the Galatians were probably more spiritual infants that the Corinthians as Paul did go on to discuss deeper things than milk with the Corinthians but not the Galatians or at least in the letter. The Galatians never had this in there letter as they fell back into Judaism. This can be avoided if we look at what the Lord said on HIMSELF. Luke 9:22, Luke 17:25, Luke 22:37, Luke 24:7,25,26,44-47, Matthew 16:21, Matthew 26:52-56. When reading these verses we see that these things HAD TO HAPPEN. If we look at Romans chapters 9,10,11(most churches have ruled them controversial for teaching and preaching) in the context of these verses, they make much more sense. If we then look at Daniel 9:24 we see that it is probably best not to allegorize(corrupt) the Bible. I would say that the Hebrew roots movement is a distraction to draw many away from other falsehood besides itself.
Does not surprise me that Joseph Farah, CEO of World Net Daily promotes and endorses “The Cepher Bible” He endorses and promotes anti-Trinitarians, and those who teach unorthodox- – unbiblical doctrine. I could give many examples, but here is one:
Farah promotes, endorses and sells the books of Joe Kovacs. Kovacs has so many unorthodox teachings, it’s mind boggling that Farah would have many of his articles on his site. I started doing some research on Kovacs, and was appalled of what I was reading from his articles, that I sent my research to The Berean Call Ministry. They have an excellent article below:
http://thebereancall.org/content/armstrong-splinter-group-uses-world-net-daily-editors-book-seminar
You can read some of Kovacs articles below:
http://wnd.com/2009/12/118220/ Do we really look like God according to Kovacs? Does God really look like us? Does God really have a head, torso, feet and arms as Kovacs teaches? He has other unbiblical teachings in this article as well.
http://wnd.com/2012/09/christian-author-god-is-having-offspring/ Sadly, a Mormon site picked up this article as well.
Even a skeptic site realizes Kovacs is unbiblical in his teaching about God:
http://mythandhope.blogspot.com/2009/02/joe-kovacs-god-and-bible.html
Joseph Farah practices a “double-standard” He will lam-blast all those who take issue with the author of “The Harbinger”, but has no problem with Joe Kovacs, Michael Rood and other unorthodox authors. He won’t sell the books of Rob Bell, Rick Warren, Brian McLaren, William P. Young (The Shack), etc, (Agree), but has no problem with Kovacs, Rood and a host of other authors.
I guess as long as “the check clears the bank,” Farah will continue to promote and endorse anti-Trinitarians, questionable authors, and those who want nothing to do with the “faith once delivered to the Saints”
Farah even has an article “Wake Up, You So- Called Christians!”
Maybe he needs to wake up himself!!!
I ask: was Kovacs on WND before 2012? Farah gives a testimony of having a spiritual awakening in that year. I pray for G-d to lead me to what and where and HE answers me. I’ve found many good things on the WND site but for some reason stayed away from Kovacs. and that Rood guy.
As I recall the article of Wake Up, you so called Christians….I may be wrong but it was telling Christians they need to wake up and look at what is happening in our country as a result of current politics.
When you understand what Jewish/Hebrew roots is all about……you won’t berate the Jews and say they have an anti-Christ spirit. More and more Jewish people are coming to understand Christ died for our sins.
If you have any doubts about Johnathan Cahn you REALLY need to watch the DVD “Harbinger Man” It is a biography of Cahn and includes many of his “sermons” given to Congress and at the DC prayer breakfasts. They are outstanding because he comes right out with conviction and tells the politicians how wrong they are. He brings People to Christ by preaching that Jesus is the son of G-d and the shedding of HIS blood is for the forgiveness of sins. Cahn does NOT deny Christ, and he prays Jesus Name.
Cahn himself does NOT want to be called a prophet. In his own words he says you can’t put G-d in a box. G-d has his own tiiming on things and Cahn admits that he himself has no idea what year the Lord will reutrn. He does preach Christ will return.
I’ve heard other preachers who have come out very publicly about the gay marriage bit but none of them has spoken with the conviction that Cahn has.
I pray you reconsider your opinion of him.
Tauri: The trinity is in the Bible. (KJV) Check out 1John 5:7. “For there are three that bear record in heaven The Father, The Word, and the Holy Ghost.: and these three are one.” It is also written that way in the Cepher. The Word is Christ.
Devil’s Scheme
The word, Christ is a Greek term, meaning the Occult Anointing, because its Greek root is Christos for anointing, but it was used exclusively to venerate the Greek Gods, as in Apollos Christos. They are all demons.
The devil has had a four thousand year old scheme to fool the saints into praying to demons and celebrating occult ceremonies in ignorance, so curses like those of Revelation 18:4: The witches curse, would fall upon them and their prayer would no longer be heard. He has succeeded! Almost everything we believe is now a lie.
The name of the Father: Yah was forbidden and replaced (Taken In Vain) in 300 B.C. with two names of the Sumerian God, Baal: (Jeremiah 12:16 & 23:27) Lord and God. Jews and Christians still obey the edict.
The original Catholic canon replaced Yahshua with Iesus: Zoos, the Greek God of lightening, in 400 A.D., then the Vatican, in 1612, embellished the slander and libel by changing Iesus to Ge’-Zoos, (Jesus) which is Earth, or Dirt-Zeus, taking Yahushua in vain. “Make no mention of the name of other Gods, neither let it be heard out of your mouth.” (Exodus 23:13) “…neither make mention of the name of other Gods.” (Joshua 23:7)
The Romans copied the Greek root word, Christos, meaning occult anointing, for Christ and Christian, to denigrate the saints in 30 A.D. With that word exclusively, the Greeks venerated their pagan Gods, like Apollo and Zeus, who are demons. The Hebrew word for anointing is Mashiach, from which Messiah is transliterated. The Catholic canon aggressively spread that word throughout their New Testament and the Protestant Bibles copied it.
Pope Constantine, the first, changed the scriptural Sabbath day to that of the occult, Feast of The Sun God, (Mithras/Nimrod) on the morning of the first day of the week, in 321 A.D. The Vatican’s Council of Nicaea, in 325 A.D., changed the names of Babylonian occult ceremonies to Christ-Mass, Easter, Valentine’s Day and encouraged the use of the steeple, (Obelisk: The devil’s Babylonian Phallic Symbol of Fertility) so the believers would bring a curse of the witch upon themselves and their prayers would not be heard. (Revelation 18:4, 2nd Corinthians 6:14-18 & 2nd Chronicles 7:14)
America is cursed and the only solution is in 2nd Chronicles 7:14; It reads, “If my people who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their WICKED ways, (The root word of wicked is, Wicca, or twisted, which means the occult exclusively.) then will I (Again) hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.” This is the only key which can deliver us.
Let the truth be told!!! The Eth Cepher is one of the most accurate holy books to date! It corrrects the names of the The father and his son- the messiah “Yahusha”, who is the “Yeshua” (salvation) of our world. The Papacy has created confusion and perverted Elohims (God) word and the protestants have accepted the Pagan name Jesus Christ who is the lawless one that The savior warned would come and the people accept. The Church created the name Jesus Christ which is Blasphemy. Christ comes from a greek pagan perversion of messiah; “Cristos”, which is suppose to mean Messiah, but does not. The Yeshua (SAVOIR) IS Yahusha hamashiach. The true Messiah was Hebrew, his name is Yahusha. “Jesus” is the lawless one that Yahusha HaMashiach warned would come in his own name and the world receive. John 5:43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Wow! Well said and researched. It’s good to see others on the same path that often times appears quite empty.
@graham Wow! Well said and researched. It’s good to see others on the same path that often times appears quite empty.
Exactly the Devil and cult is the very one who wrote this article when they should have been reading scriptures because the only thing different in the Cepher really are the use of the accurate names the text didn’t change and still can be compared with the KJV. The deception is Christianity and their Jesus which comes from the Romans/Greeks and the bogus teaching that the law is done away with when if they studied they would see that their fake Jesus didn’t even say that nonsense.
We should all be reading our Bibles daily and pray. However how many people keep the 7th day holy? Or should I say how many even keep Sunday as a holy day? Could you find a passage in the Bible that changed he day of worship to Sunday? The day that pagan sun worhipers observed?
There is no such word as “Jew”. It is a made up word, a false translation from Judah/Judaite. Studies have been made to prove to any thinking American that the bulk of these people called “Jew” or “Jews” in the Bible, were not and are not of the House of Israel or of the House of Judah. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia defines “Jew” as the same word of Strong’s #2453 in the following words: “Jew’ denotes originally an inhabitant of Judah, (2Kings 16:1 applies to the two tribes of the Southern Kingdom) but later the meaning was extended to embrace all descendants of Abraham. WHO had the power and authority to extend the meaning to embrace all descendants of Abraham? It is an uncontestable fact that the word “Jew” did not come into existence until the year 1775. Prior to 1775, the word “Jew” did NOT exist in any language on earth. It was therefore introduced into the English language for the very first time in the 18th century when Sheridan used it in his play “The Rivals”, Chapter 2, pg.1. There is no doubt that the 18th century “Jew” is the 18th century contracted and corrupted English word for the 4th century Latin “Iudaeus” found in Jerome’s Latin Vulgate Edition. The letterr “j” is an English letter which was not created until the 1500s through 1600s. It is really a replacement/substitute for the letter “y”. How did it morph? Long story short…during the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries a well organized and well financed international “pressure group” created a so called “secondary meaning” for the word “Jew” among the English speaking peoples of the world. The so called “secondary meaning” for the word “Jew” bears no relation whatsoever to the 18th century original connotation of the word “Jew”. It is actually a misrepresentation presented to the world deliberately by this well orgaized and well financed “pressure group” to deceive Christians and claim a HERITAGE that is NOT THEIRS!! Did you get that…to deceive Christians and claim a heritage that is not theirs. They have really accomplished its objective, but Believers are finally waking up to this long held myth. In 700 A.D, King Bulan, of the Khazarian Empire made the political move for his empire to convert to Judaism bc he did not want to adopt Christianity or Islam. He brought in Rabbis to teach the Khazars Hebrew, the Torah, etc., etc. However, they never learned Hebrew, instead Yiddish. Fast forward when American was becoming the U.S., around 1775, or thereof, the word “Jew” was in existence and so was Yiddish. So called Jews had control of the banking systems of England and Europe. They also controlled the printing presses. They decided they needed more KJVs of the Bible. A coup de’tat is what occurred and they substituted the word “Jew” for which is really a Yiddish word, for the word Judeah. Look at an old Geneva Bible and you will not find the word “Jew” in their Old Testament. What they did was to substitute that word to legitimize themselves later, in a future time to the conquering of Palestine for themselves. So if you study Yiddish, there is not one Hebrew word in it. If you study Hebrew, there is not one Yiddish word in it either. This word “Jew” was chosen very carefully and for them was brilliant. They have spent uncounted sums of money to manufacture the fiction that the Judeans in the time of Messiah,were Jews rather than Judeans and that Messiah was a “Jew”. He was not a Jew; He was a Judaite, meanig He was from the region of JUDAH. To be a Jew was to be a Pharisee. They wrote above Messiah’s cross The King of The Jews. Revelations 2: and 3: tells us clearly who these people really are..”I know thy works and tribulation, and poverty,(but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan.”…”Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie: behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” John 8:44, says that the father of the “Jew” is the devil and a liar. Apparently the real nature of the “Jew” is trickery, deception and lies. True Israelites (descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and jacob), know that it is wrong to lie instinctively. There is probably no way one can, unless, they tell you who they are or what they are or we can see their fruits which produce evidence. If a person is asked if he or she is a Jewish or an Israelite, I feel that a true Israelite would tell all he/she knows about htheir religion. A lie can travel halfway around the world while truth is putting on its shoes. The Bible has been hijacked and corrupted by many corrupted so called Believers in spite of YAH’s warning in the last Book of Revelation…”If any man shall TAKE AWAY from the WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THIS PROPHECY, YAH shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Thankful, that like the Bereans, I study YAH’s word and I do appreciate and love the Cepher Bible. Shabbat Shalom.
You completely trippin if you think anybody about to read that ragtag wall of text about absolutely nothing.
Cahn is a huckster, a false teacher, he lies to his followers, it seems all of his followers forgot the whole date setting, blood moon fiasco, when he was called on it he vacillated and went underground till the furor passed! What happened to “prophets” in the old testament who presumed to speak for God? He’s no different, fleecing the unread, unscriptural and those that want to be Jewish…….because they think they some how become closer to God or Jesus. As for Cahn naming Christ, the antichrist will say he’s the messiah, it doesn’t mean a thing to pray in Jesus name in front of the sheeple.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/jonathan-cahn-im-not-part-of-the-blood-moon-industry.html
Just a little light reading to unwash that brain of yours my friend.
May Yeshua Bless you with His true light.
It is NOT a movement. It is the true “chosen people” of The Most High. You are all Edomites and have been preaching and promoting untruths for 2,000 years. Deuteronomy 28:16-68 and a myriad of other scriptures tell the entire story. For 2,000 years people have believed that those residing in Israel today are the “chosen people” of The Most High, but they are not. According to Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, they are the “chosen people: of Satan. The hexagram speaks volumes to who their god really is. In 700 A.D., their King Bulan, made the political move not to accept Christianity or Islam, but opted Judaism instead. They are not the Biblical Hebrew Israelites instead imposters from Eastern Europe, who have stolen a heritage that NEVER, EVER belonged to them. They have NO DNA or patrilineal bloodline to Abraham, Isaac, nor Jacob and this has been proven scientifically. Jew is a false translation of Judah, a nation or region in the New Testament. In the Old Testament, it is a racial, tribal term. These Khazars, Jewish imposters never set foot in Israel until 1948. It was NOT the hand of The Most High, instead, the U.N., Ben Gurion and Britain. If you read the Geneva Bible, you will not find the word Jew in their N.T. What Jews did was substitute the word to legitimize themselves later in a future time to the conquering of Palestine for themselves. BTW, I have studied hebrew, but these imposters have never spoken Hebrew. They speak Yiddish. There is not one Yiddish word in the Torah or O.T. In 17775, they created the banking system of England and Europe. They also owned the printing presses, so when the U.S. was morphing into the U.S., they, the so called Jews,decided they needed more King James Versions of the Bible. Thus a coup de’ tat, so they substituted the word “Jew” which is really a Yiddish word. Also the universal church, which emanated from the Catholic Church, along with Emperor Constantine, intentionally removed approximately14 books, from the Bible claiming them to be uncanonical. Really? No ruler or any man for that matter had/has the right to remove any of the Holy Scriptures because they were the most corrupt humans alive and did this for their own purposes…to deceive and control the masses. Why haven’t the Dead Sea Scrolls been added to the Scriptures? Why over 100 versions of the Bible? Had the Scriptures remained, these books contained prophecies of exactly what the false church would do, viz., corrupt the scriptures. Case en point….The Wisdom of Solomon,14:8-21, clearly prophesies the false picture of Messiah which has been floating around since the Renaissance Period, is not the Messiah. It is a picture of Caesare Borgia, the homosexual lover of Leonardo DaVinci, who painted the Sistine Chapel. It was commissioned by Pope Alexander VI, his father, (who had him illegitimately), under the authority of the Catholic Church and circulated far and wide as the Messiah..a tall thin European with blonde hair, blue eyes, and extremely effeminate. Messiah did not look like this description. Josephus gives a very different description and Messiah himself says that he was not comely, while Isaiah says”…he hath no form nor comeliness: and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire.” Read Wisdom of Solomon. So this is only one book that had to be removed and had nothing to do with being the inspired Word of God, instead, power and corruption which continues to this very day. As for the Sabbath, this grieves the Most High more than anything. We are commanded to keep Sabbath on the LAST day of the week and Never the first. Again Emperor Constantine declared this in order to bring the pagans into the church which allowed them to bring in all of their pagan holidays like Christmas, Easter, Halloween, etc. They changed His name to Jesus etc. None of these holidays are holy. I absolutely love the Cepher Bible bc it gives the Hebrew. The N.T. even though originally written in Hebrew. The Cepher publishes without redaction, yet their are those who can find blemishes with every edition. I love knowing the names of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and am so thankful for this Bible bc it has the missing books of Jubilee, Jasher, Enoch with extensive commentary on , the Fallen Angels, and Daniel’s prophecy. BTW…most church leaders will never provide you with these books bc they can not explain them, never read them if they attended seminary and are forbidden by their denominations to do so. The Book of fallen Angels, The Watchers, and the Origins of Sin will truly wake you up. All of you sheep being led by your disobedient church leaders will regret not having studied the Scriptures for your selves. Study to show thyself approved. Best Bible on the planet and huge. Can not carry it to church. Blessings and wake up because the church age is ending!!!!! Maranatha. Be like the Bereans.
“It is NOT a movement. It is the true “chosen people” of The Most High. You are all Edomites and have been preaching and promoting untruths for 2,000 years.”
Utter nonsense. You follow false prophets, date setters, you deny the trinity, you’re not the chosen anything, you follow the prideful delluded that want to keep the law! Good luck with that! Even the Pharisees weren’t as prideful! They knew they couldn’t! They were as delluded as those that think that they can keep the law today!
“Question: “What is the Cepher Bible?”
Answer: The Cepher, sometime referred to as the “Cepher Bible,” is a non-scholarly work that claims to restore many “missing” books, phrases, and chapters to the Bible. The book is officially titled Eth Cepher, from the Hebrew words for “divinity” and “book.” The publishers claim that they do not call their work a “Bible”; however, they refer to the material incessantly as “biblical” in every other aspect. For all intents and purposes, the Cepher is a custom translation/compilation of the Bible. Save calling it a “Bible” directly, that’s exactly how the Cepher is marketed.
The Cepher can be fairly described as non-scholarly based on information from its own publishers. This work was not produced by qualified scholars or through an actual process of translation. First, the authors added books that they deemed “missing” from the orthodox Bible, contradicting the opinions of most biblical scholars. Then the words of the text were “transliterated” and cross-referenced with a concordance. The end product is whatever the editor thought the text should say. This type of bias is essentially what publishers of the Cepher accuse other versions of, though the Cepher’s authors have less academic background than those they claim are getting it wrong.
Despite not directly calling the Cepher a “Bible,” the authors have included a significant amount of material, sometimes interspersed with the biblical text, that Bible scholars have long rejected as non-canonical. Reading the Cepher, one encounters a mix of inspired and non-inspired material.
Though the Cepher is a relatively new publication, it seems to have strong connections to the Hebrew Roots movement. This, in and of itself, is a cause for concern.
In short, neither the contributors, the content, nor the completed work of Eth Cepher give any reason to consider it reliable source of information.”
Who were the translators of the CEPHER?
Most of our work was transliteration, rather than translation. The translations were accomplished through Strong’s concordance, with cross references to other translation software programs, to the extent that translation was used. We relied on existing English translations which were in the public domain (Tyndale, the 1611 KJV, the Stephanus Textus Receptus, and the Masoretic Hebrew) as foundational texts. New translations were had only in a few locations: the Song of Solomon, and Zechariah 5 are the two major departures, and they were derived from the Masoretic text. The conclusion concerning Matthew 1 was done in accord with Peshita, and the conclusion in Matthew 23 was first reached by Nechemiah Gordon in reliance on the Shem Tov gospel of Matthew.
Both the Preface of the book (click the SEE INSIDE link on our home page) and the “Our Story” page provide detailed information about the process and the individuals involved. This project has been a labor of love that originated from a genuine calling by YAHUAH and the guidance of the RUACH HAQODESH; neither of which required a specialized degree from a theological seminary or a Hebrew university. In truth, YAHUAH has long been using similarly uncredentialled men and women to accomplish his kingdom purposes, so it should come as no surprise to anyone that he has once again done so in choosing us to publish the את CEPHER
http://www.cepher.net/who-were-the-translators-of-the-cepher.aspx
Reading the statement above from those that actually wrote the uninspired abomination, claiming personal revelation and inspiration shows the heresy, the deceit and arrogance of the authors. They’re playing modern day apostles! They actually have the gall to write this “he has once again done so in choosing us to publish the את CEPHER.” Unbelievable.
Manny : How much of the Cepher have you read? For that matter how many of other translations or copies of the books within the Cepher have you read? Until you have read ALL that is in there do you yourself really think that you are qualified to give such negative strong opinions to tell everyone that it’s all false? I think you aren’t.
You bash Pidgeon. He’s an educated man and is honestly stating how the Cepher came about. He is obviously schooled in Hebrew.
In making my decision to purchase the Cepher I read reviews. One was a review given by, written by Dr. Frank Seekins who is a teacher and scholar of Hebrew for more than 30 years. He has written text books on the Hebrew language is recognized as an authority. In Seekins review he stated that the Cepher was the most accurately translated correct book he had seen or read.. Wish I could remember where I saw it. Seekins endorsement was a deciding factor for me.
I pray that your negativism about Cepher does NOT drive people away from it. It has many valuable and informative books included in it.
Have I read all of it? No, but I’ve read a lot of it and portions of most of the books. There is a lot that is right about. There are more details included that give one a better insight into what was going on with people and situations of that time.
Is our Bible complete? No? There are many books that have been omitted and taken out. They were included in the Cepher.
Again I do not agree with you on your attitudes and opinions of Hebrew Roots movement. Granted the devil has seen to it that there are some false movements out there. But they’re not ALL wrong. And comparing Hebrew Roots to Catholicism…that is a real gem! The two are worlds apart! Hebrew Roots stays away from Paganism. The Catholic church and it’s symbols etc. are nothing but paganism.
I’ve “followed” Cahn. I’ve seen numerous programs of interviews with him. I’ve heard what he says and seen his DVD;s and read his books. No where does he want to be referred to as a prophet. He does not predict he merely points out similarities between the judgments G-d put on the people and what is happening today with America. He does preach salvation through Jesus Christ and through repentance, That is what Christian churches are supposed to do. Unfortunately today many don’t.
I pray that G-d, through the Holy Spirit and in Christ’s name open your eyes and ears so you can learn. It’s only through an open mind that you can grow spiritually and intellectually.
Shalom
Manny 1962….YOU SAID.. Quote” .YOU FOLLOW THE PRIDEFUL DELUDED THAT WANT TO KEEP THE LAW”
Below are some Scriptures for you to read….all on His law and commands
John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and remain in His love.
1 John 3; 4Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.
Romans 2; 13
For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
Numbers 15:31
Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.
1 Samuel 15:24
And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD,
2 Chronicles 24; 20
Then the Spirit of God came on Zechariah son of Jehoiada the priest. He stood before the people and said,
“This is what God says: ‘Why do you disobey the LORD’s commands? You will not prosper.
Because you have forsaken the LORD, he has forsaken you.'”
Contemporary English Version
God’s Spirit spoke to Zechariah son of Jehoiada the priest, and Zechariah told everyone that God was saying:
“Why are you disobeying me and my laws? This will only bring punishment! You have deserted me, so now I will desert you.”
1 Samuel 13:13,14
And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee
Daniel 9 ; 10…..
and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD our God by walking in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets……
2 Kings 17; 13….., “Turn from your wicked ways and keep My commandments and statutes,
according to the entire Law that I commanded your fathers and delivered to you through My servants the prophets.”
Jeremiah 32:23
They came in and possessed it, but they did not obey Your voice or walk in Your law.
Romans 2; 13
For it is not by hearing the Law that people are put right with God, but by doing what the Law commands.
Romans 2; 23
You take pride in the Law, but you disobey the Law and bring shame to God.
Manny1962… SHOW ME IN THE SCRIPTURES we are NOT to OBEY His LAWS AND COMMANDS.
Shalom.
If you understand what a Berean is you would start by studying the history of Israel in detail to understand what God’s plan concerning His people is as outlined in the bible.
Because of ignorance, people make the mistake of not questioning everything they hear and end up supporting falsehood instead of abiding by the truth. The Berean church did not take Paul’s word for it and they searched deep in the scriptures to confirm if Paul was speaking truth and this is the problem in today’s mainstream church. People go and seat and listen to pastors who are spreading lies and twisting the truth of God’s word in order to establish their own version of truth.
Examples of this:
1. When Saul met Jesus he was changed and he became known as Paul. However Paul was never given a new name – he was always called Paul or Saul (search this and see for yourself).
2. They say the new covenant has no law. Can you establish an agreement without conditions? You may as well not have an agreement if that’s the case. It’s like getting married and telling your wife sleep around if you so please because it’s an open marriage.
3. They say Abraham did not keep God’s laws but scripture plainly says it: Genesis 26:4-5 and also in Genesis 18:17-19. Clearly God testifies of Sodom and Gomorrah’s sin and Abraham knew what sin was so if he wasn’t keeping God’s law, how would he have known if Sodom was sinning or not and God testifies with His own mouth that Abraham will surely teach his children to obey His laws and what is is according to the gospel – 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”
4. They say we are not under the law but grace. Seriously? Paul is so misunderstood by people who by nature do not conform to Godly standards. Obeying God’s law is not being under the law but if you break the law you are now under the law. A modern day example is this:
– if you drive over the speed limit you put yourself under the power of the law concerning speed limits and you will get a ticket but as long as you abide by the law concerning speed and you don’t drive over the limits you are not subject to the law because you abide by it. In biblical terms that means you have overcome the sin of going over the limit and the sin of speed is defined in the law of your country. So using that analogy it becomes clear that people who oppose God’s law given by Moses deserve to have a ticket because they are rebellious and hate the truth but people who love the law of liberty have peace because they walk in love and this is why Jesus says if you love me you will keep my Fathers commands.
When an officer of the law gives you a speed ticket he simply says you broke the law but doesn’t tell you which one. Compare that to this verse in James 2:11
For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
It’s that simple, if you go over the speed limit but do not steal from your neighbour you are guilty of reckless endangerment and so though you did not steal, you still broke the law and the same authority that said “this is the speed limit” is the same one that says “don’t steal from your neighbour”. In other words you are not walking in love if you go over the speed limit because you are recklessly endangering peoples lives including your own but, if you walk in love you will not go over the speed limit and this is the great command: love your neighbour – it’s the same as saying keep the law.
Grace is God’s power to those receiving salvation. In other words, it’s mercy given so that you can examine your ways studying God’s law and use that time to turn away from your wickedness (REPENTANCE). That’s why is it written in James 1 23-24
For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was.
And also in Matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
So you see Paul cannot and will NEVER be understood by people who don’t know God’s laws and if you look at all his letters he was addressing very specific issues and only to the parties concerned. Paul himself testifies that he is pure regarding keeping the law. If he truly taught people to break God’s commands then he would be a hypocrite for practising the same things he tells people not to do.
Read Philippians 3:5-6, Acts 23:5, Acts 18:18(Nazirite vow – Numbers 6:2), Acts 2123-:24 and so many other verses that testify that Paul did not teach people to break God’s laws written in the old testament.
5. They teach the Sabbath was changed to Sunday but completely ignore history of the church and persecution and event that led to that change. Reference http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception-Sabbath_change_Constantine
They now twist the truth and say Jesus rose on Sunday so he changed Sabbath when in fact Jesus said He is Lord of Sabbath because He is the one who created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th day and the 4th commandment says keep the Sabbath because it is a SIGN between men and God that God created them and the world and rested on the 7th day. It’s the sign for our acknowledgement of Him as the Creator and the only true God.
6. Count for yourself if you keep Easter – do you get 3 days and 3 nights if you count from good Friday to Sunday. Another lie because if you count backwards from Sunday you realize the Jesus actually died on Wednesday and that will give you 3 days and 3 nights as He Himself testifies of this.
The people who teach these things have a fine way of using God’s word to their ruin and many things like this they teach and preach about tithing as if tithing is not a Godly law that was also kept by Abraham who knew God’s word but the difference is Abraham did not take advantage of the people as these so called Sunday pastors do. If you teach tithing then teach what sin is as well. Even Peter testifies of these pastors in his gospel. 2 peter 3:15-17
and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness
The hebrewic movement is something I am a part of and it is about moving away from false teachers and people who are lawless and hate God’s commands. It’s about the true message of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and Salvation. It’s about being a true Berean and searching scripture leaving no stone unturned and doing things God wants us to do. It’s about grace and love and it’s unforfunate that even among us some have gone away to deny the Messiah but that is common even on Sundays where you have catholics, pentecosts, methodists, evalengicals, etc. We believe in the power of the Holy Spirit and in speaking in tongues and all gifts given by the Spirit for the purpose of exalting the name of Jesus and edifying the body.The difference is we study each man on his own and we do not take the word of man over that of God. Let men speak as men and God speak as God. I will always choose God’s word over anything any man says and that is what we do. We do not sit and blindly follow someone who cannot prove what they say using scripture.
Isaiah 20:8
To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because they have no light.
Revelation: 12:17
So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Jeremiah 23:16
This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.
1 John 2:3
We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands.
1 John 5:10
Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.
Luke 24:27
And beginning with MOSES and all the PROPHETS, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
You believe in trinity and I would like you to prove trinity starting from Genesis to Revelation because that’s another issue which was initiated by the Catholics. Before that there is no mention anywhere in the bible about a trinity. Not one prophet or apostle anywhere has ever bowed down to worship the Spirit but all have worshipped the Father and the Son and this you can actually prove from Genesis – Melchizedek to Revelation. Even John 8:56 says Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”meaning Abraham knew who Jesus was long before any of us did but we have a problem that we listen at church but don’t do our due diligence to test whether or not the doctrine is sound. David says take not your Holy Spirit from me – he did not say Holy Spirit do not depart from me. The Holy Spirit makes us one with the Father and the Son that we may be complete in Him.
The bible cannon of Ethiopia is more true that the western king James version because the ones who put it together hate God’s laws which Jesus Himself says those who don’t do it even if they confess my name they will not enter heaven. Ethiopia has stronger ties to ancient Israel and they are likely to keep the law and the entire boble has many references to Ethiopia and the Cepher is very close to all the ancient books quoted in the bible. The Ethiopian canon is close to the Cepher too. The Cepher allows you to study and see as the ancients saw things and there are books in there I am opposed to as well but at least I can say I had all ancient facts and I read and disapproved certain books but some books I believe were always good such as Enoch and Jubilees because they support truth.
Quotes from Enoch.
Jude 1:14-15 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones. To execute judgement upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him
John 11:26 – And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 – For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first
Further reference: http://www.nairaland.com/1080843/book-enoch-jesus-quoted-it
Book of Jashar is quoted here
Joshua 10:13
So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
So many things the so called church fathers removed from the bible in order to hide the truth but we of the hebrewic faith search daily throwing out heresies and books that are part of Cepher or not and going back to Aramaic and Hebrew vetting every doctrine whether from us or the church and we will not stop until we have gotten back to the true Israel which our Messiah Jesus came to redeem as He testifies is His word: Matthew 15:24.
Remember there was much politics in the ancient times when the west put together the modern day bible and they left out certain books to protect their interests and further their agenda. I’m sure if you do your own research you will find out that some of the reasons for not accepting the other books were completely not for the right reasons. The Cepher is actually an attempt to pursue God’s agenda by giving all the facts and not the agenda of men. You oppose it because you were taught a certain way but have no idea if what you were taught is true because you haven’t tested it. The bible is just as important as the history behind it. It would be wrong to reject a different form not acceptable to you because you feel a certain way. You are here to serve God and not yourself or any other men so study to show yourself approved (not by men but by God). The bible has so many errors and for a long time I always said scripture backs up scripture but when I speak to an atheist and they ask about unicorns in the bible as below, I have to know how to respond to that:
Job 39:9-12
Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great? or wilt thou leave thy labour to him?
Wilt thou believe him, that he will bring home thy seed, and gather it into thy barn?
Unicorns are actually one horned rhinoceros but that’s something an uneducated person wouldn’t know and they may be compelled to say well I’m throwing out this bible because God is not real because the bible talks about unicorns which are pure fiction.
How do you respond to quotes from Jude when he speaks of the devil fighting over the body of Moses with Michael and when he speaks of Enoch prophesying or how do you speak with some Moslem people who know the bible better than most Christians and they are right when they are concerned about verses that don’t align. I realized that if I am going to preach the truth I have to empty my cup and study everything. This meant acknowledging that the bible has flaws and I cannot deny them especially when someone is pointing it out. I cannot say scripture backs up scripture 100% of the time without twisting the truth. After reading the Cepher so many verse that Islam quoted can be answered and so many things Atheists use do discredit the bible become easy to handle so believe it or not the Cepher is a more accurate biblical account – the only thing I’d caution is that you read the law first Genesis to Deuteronomy and fully understand it 100% before touching the Cepher otherwise you won’t know which books are embellished and which ones are not.
The Holy Spirit will guide those seeking truth and no truth contradicts the law and that’s the foundation of our entire faith because its the Spirit of Truth. Deuteronomy 18:21-22 and also chapter 13.
Please email me if you have any questions. I enjoy speaking and discussing the truth.
Very very informative and interesting post.Thank you.
I agree and I don’t consider myself to be part of any movement. I am just a believer, led to be a ‘ Berean’ I suppose.
I don’t know all the answers , but what I do know is, since I asked ‘ The Good Shepherd’ after leaving the established churches to worship at home; to lead me, I saw stuff in the Bible I had overlooked which was really weird !
I was led to research further.
I finally came across this Cepher Bible translation and although it cost a Lot, I really wanted it, to compare. I am happy to have it alongside my various other Bibles.
I am not sure what you mean though by ‘ embellishments ?
Blessings !
Thank you for posting and wording so eloquently the truth. It’s obvious that many have no idea of the history of the Bible. Just knowing that it was men and at times certain rabbi’s who removed text should be enough to make anyone wonder about the what and why. Those who scoff at the Cepher should at the very least read the preface. And for years I’ve wondered what was sealed up in the book of Daniel that would be revealed in the end times. How perfectly G-d preserved HIS words! .
Thank you for your post and taking the time to write at the length that you did. Came on this site specifically to respond to another post that because of tie constraints couldn’t before. I’ve reread your post because it’s so good. Shalom
Sad to say, but many do not want to know the truth. They believe everything that emanates from the mouths of the pastor or church leaders. I was once that way until TMH and the Ruach grabbed hold of me. Thankful to study the Word for myself. It is truly a life’s journey. HalleluYAH! Shalom.
I believe this question would be for “Tauri” (re. post of 07-feb-2016 @ 20:22).
I’m interested in an English version of the Bible complete that is most authentic and closest to original language and meaning. I like the Orthodox Jewish Bible for its inclusion of Hebrew names/terms (among other things). I also appreciate the Hebrew script of some versions in reference to Yahuah’s Name and that of His Son Yahushua (these spellings may be incorrect but it’s the closest I’ve been able to determine [and hopefully done so by the inspired guidance of the Holy Spirit “Ruach HaKodesh”]).
Besides some of the Books included in the Ethiopic canon, I also enjoy the Kebra Negast. Although my faith was/is founded solidly in the Bible’s traditional 66 books, I believe there are other inspired works that have possibly been excluded for a variety of reasons.
Do you have recommendation(s)?
And, specifically, what books/passages did you find suspect in the Cepher collection?
Thanks,
–Stephen
P.S.
Of course, I welcome replies from all who may be interested.
You sound like an intelligent person. I like your thought process. I’d like to hear more of your thoughts, but I don’t see a way to contact you directly.
Tauri: Very well and eloquently said. I agree with you. I hope that Manny who has responded so negatively all over the place these last few days has read what you posted.
Shalom
Taurai,
I so enjoyed your answer that I had to copy it to keep it. You explained Paul’s words so wonderfully. Thank you. I pray everyone that reads this article takes the time to read your comment. I started reading the comments so I wouldn’t duplicate what needed to be said, but you covered it wonderfully. Thank you again.
I’m new to the Hebrew roots but I do have a cepher and I am currently reading my first book… jubilees. I thought your answer above was wonderful. Do you have a website or YouTube channel?
Thank you for a very informative post
In the Cepher of Yasher 14:1-2, 27-29,32-33 Riqayon Pharaoh: is this Abimelech in
Genesis 20:2
Yasher 14:27-And the king answered and said to Riqayon, Your name shall no more be called Riqayon but Pharaoh shall be thy name, since thou didst exact a tax from the dead; and he called his name Pharaoh.
28 And the king and his subjects loved Riqayon for his wisdom, and they consulted with all the inhabitants of Egypt to make him prefect under the king.
29 And all the inhabitants of Egypt and its wise men did so, and it was made a law in Egypt.
32 And all the inhabitants of Egypt greatly loved Rikayon Pharaoh, and they made a decree to call every king that should reign over them and their seed in Egypt, Pharaoh.
33 Therefore all the kings that reigned in Egypt from that time forward were called Pharaoh unto this day.
The article is bogus. If His name is Yahushua, call Him Yahushua. I wouldn’t call Miguel Michael just because they mean the same. And Yahushua means Yahuah saves(shua). Remember that the Name of the Lord is a strong tower the ; righteous run into and are saved. But you’d rather we cry out “hail zeus!?” (Jesus) Remember all the power in His name that we sing about? Hypocrite! Oh so much power but we don’t want you to say or use the Name. When I asked Him if I were taking His name in vain, just to say it, He told me that was FALSE HUMILITY. Said He never waste His words and didn’t give me something( the Name) for me to not use it. This is a lie and ploy to keep you powerless! The name of the Lord is a weapon! I guess those who stand far off don’t mind calling Him anything. But those who love to sit right at His feet or on His lap, long to know Him intimately. Hope this hits home with some of you.
Your reply is well thought out and very well put. You give very good examples of how going back to original languages and the meanings of their words can not always be accurately translated into English. Your examples are what going back to original Hebrew is all about.
Salom
Preach! Lost souls here.
This is to Les. You’re right! It is all in a name. Thank you for stating the it was Zeus name that was changed to the name Jesus. I’d heard that stated a different way once before but it didn’t click in my mind then the way it does now when I read how you stated it. Sometimes you never know when you write replies to articles and to others who comment just how the light of your words can enlighten the reader. Thank you Yahuah!
Shalom
I know I long to know his real name I totally agree his name is power and that is the only name by which we are saved. We need his name in truth and in Spirit as well.
Taurai great insert! All praise to the FATHER YAHUAH and the Son YAHUSHA HA MASHIACH! HALLELUYAH!
YES INDEED !
all praise to FATHER YAHUAH and the Son YAHUSHA HA MASHIACH! HALLELUYAH!
I too have the Cepher. As for the book of Solomon….In the Cepher it is 100% different from KJV. Solomon being a wise man who prayed for wisdom from the time of his youth became infatuated with the Holy Spirit. That is not in the KJV.
The writer of the article above (Amy Speerman) obviously didn’t read the preface of the Cephar which gives a history of the # of times things were deleted from the Bible and all the different changes that happened. G-d said there were things sealed up that would NOT be known until the end times. I find it fascinating that books included in the Cepher were included with and among thee Dead Sea Scrolls and included with what people at that time considered holy. These were separate from the Encyclopedias and other writings of that time that were also found.
The Jewish rabbi’s also removed Hebrew books from their teachings and what they thought should only be taught in the synagogues. decided what THEY thought shouid be taught,.
These books that I have read so far do indeed answer a lot of the mysteries found in Genesis. These books explain whole pieces of information that Christ intended us to have and that his disciples knew about and had obviously studied.
I highly recommend the Cepher. I too prayed for G-d to direct me in my studies and HE has. Yes I have recently found false teachings but know them to be false as I’m better able to discern the twists these false messengers have and can see where the twists come. Had I NOT been grounded in Christ’s teachings they would have slid right over my head and would have confused me.
Shalom
Sharon,
I greatly appreciate your knowledge of things and the graceful way you answer/talk to people. This is my first time answering anyone on here.
I am a born-again Christian, and I totally agree with being exactly like the Bereans were in Acts 17:11. The apostle Paul said: “Don’t be carried about with every wind and doctrine.” I do not hold to the Apocrapha books being Scripture. I learned many years ago at Bible college that I & II Macabees might have some good accurate history, but it is not totally accurate history. And ‘Bell and the Dragon’, seriously speaking, it cannot be part of the Bible! The Apocrapha was written during the 400 Silent Years when God shut up the heavens as brass, meaning He gave no new revelation(s) to His chosen people, the Jews. So how can the Apocrapha truly be considered as part of the Bible by a few or some on this site?
I am not up to speed on some of these movements. I do believe in God’s Word from Genesis 1:1 to the end of the book of Revelation. I believe that the days of creation were 6 literal creation days. Further evidence for this is backed up by several Hebrew scholars that have proven that Genesis is an historical narrative, that means true history as it actually happened. Jesus Himself even quoted/referred back to the early chapters of Genesis as being true, actual history–and worth believing as written. Maybe I am getting off the subject on this site; sorry if I am doing that.
So…I know I need to go back and find out exactly when the Old Testament and the New Testament were both canonized. I know there were a lot of other non-Biblical epistles & gospels that were not included in the NT canon, because they were written in the 2nd century A.D. and they were written by people that pretended to be Paul or someone else that studied under one of the original apostles. I know for me this will be very important to do this study. But for me right now, I know and believe the Bible (as in the NASB, KJV, NKJV, and some other very good translations are the Word of God. I check the Greek text sometimes just to make sure a NT translation is correct. I sometimes check the Hebrew out in the OT to make sure a translation is correct also.
I don’t know everything, not even close, but personally I believe God has miraculously preserved His Word down through the ages. If I have to start questioning IF the Bible needs more books, then I can never be sure of what God’s Word really is anymore. The key for me is to be doubly sure what books were included in the Bible from the OT and in the first century for the NT. I think I already have a Bible that is true to those 2 things.
Sharon, I have been just making statements on what I believe and why. You are great for this site, and that is why I chose to say all this under one of your posts. Hope that is okay with you and all. Thanks, and keep posting.
P.S. I just found out about the Cepher bible today, and I have seen mixed reviews about it in a few places. So I do not know exactly where the truth lies about it yet. I am preceding with caution…
What does love have to do with it?
Knowing what God loves is important to him. We should want to know what God loves so we can love what he loves also. God, please show me what you love and teach me to avoid the things you hate.
The Scriptures in the bible do not contradict, and God does not lie or change. (Mal 3:6).
Studying the scripture has led me to understand the importance and meaning of Love. I had not known love except through Jesus and his teachings from him, and about him. Many Christians profess love in the new covenant and it is true I agree, but many stop short of truly understanding what Jesus is defining in love. It is very frustrating and saddening to see this shortcoming many people have ignored. Jesus is perfect love and we may not be able to obtain that perfect form of love in the flesh, but we should not give up because our flesh has sinned.
When people say “walk like Jesus”, do they realize how Jesus actually walked? What would Jesus do (WWJD)? What did Jesus do? Many Christians use those lines without putting thought into realizing what Jesus actually did do. How did Jesus teach? Well, Jesus obeyed his Father completely out of love, and we see that love covers all that God has commanded.
Scriptures show us fruits and actions are important. Do we just say God knows our heart and not get up and push through the throng? Should Abraham have stayed seated when God commanded him to sacrifice his son and say “yes, God I’ll do it later”? That would be like telling God and our self we don’t have to get up and “do” because God knows in my heart I would? God may know our hearts but we must show the works and pick up the five smooth stones (1Sa 17:37-40), push through the throng (Luk 8:45-47), and throw off our beggars coat (Mar 10:50) as the scriptures state, to show God our faith is proven in deed out of love. Faith without works is dead. Un-contradicted Love is what we must have, and not just from our words. (1Jn 3:18) My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
We cannot accept Jesus into our hearts without love. We cannot purposefully live contradictory to love and have a relationship with our heavenly Father. Many Christians say we must love, but they stop short or don’t love at all. Is it possible to love our neighbor and steal from him? Can we love our spouse and sleep with many others? Is it scriptural to love God and test him at the same time? Did Jesus test his Father by doing something avoidable that he knew could harm him? (Luke 4:9 “cast himself down”) Calling out loud or praying to be saved from known avoidable, and hazardous actions that we do to our self or others is tempting God! (Mat 4:7) The KEY POINT to testing God is not to have “known, avoidable, hazards.” Can we love our temple or our children’s temple, and put unhealthy things in us that are known to be risky or harmful but pray for God to intervene to keep us safe? We can not pray blessings over a bowl of rat poison and then (cast ourselves down) spoon it into our mouth. Does our pride hinder us from the truth and embracing love defined in the scripture? Are we truthful to our selves or do we make justifications so that we may contradict love? Do we stand on principles regardless of the threat of the furnace, or do we kneel to the pressure? What I receive from the scripture is that God wants people with foundations that are solid and unmovable as a rock. We need to have principles of steel, and a heart of love to stand for what is right during our walk through life in a straight and tight manner.
Jesus teaches us about the love in God’s commands and he shows us to avoid the traditions of men throughout the ministry of the Gospel (Mat 6:24, 1Co 10:21). It is contradicting to love, when many Christians follow non scriptural customs and traditions of men that are not in the scripture and specifically stated by God that he does not want us to learn, regardless of what lipstick meanings men paint on those traditions of men. If it’s NOT in the scripture, it’s man made.
(Jer 10:2) Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
(Jer 10:3) For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
When Jesus sat down to eat with the Pharisees, they had an elaborate hand-washing custom (ma‘asim)
(Mark 7:1-5) that was a traditional elder mandate, added as if was the law of God written in what they call the “takanot”, but Jesus deliberately ignored these elder mandated legalisms. When they questioned Jesus about it, He called them out on their hypocrisy. Jesus said, in (Mark 7:8) “For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.!” Jesus confronted their “legalism” not because “washing hands” is a sin, but because it was a man made tradition being added as if it was part of God’s law. (Mat 5:18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Obviously we can see Heaven and earth has not passed and Jesus is being specific when telling us to follow God’s commands and do not add to God’s word or take away from it AT ALL. Jesus also gives us an example when we should listen to the Pharisees and why.
(Mat 23:2-3) “Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.”
Jesus shows us throughout his life not to contradict love by following traditions of men and the Pharisees outside of the seat of Moses, but to follow the commandments of our Heavenly Father out of love.
What is the seat of Moses? Moses’ Seat is a symbolic physical seat within ancient Synagogues where the Chief or Elder Priest would sit. It is a seat of authority and judgment, usually beautifully and ornately carved and in a very prominent position within the Synagogue. It was, on the Sabbath (Gen 2:3 ),(Heb 4:8 -10) (7th day), where the LAW (Torah) was read. By the seat of Moses, it meant that they had the authority to teach the law. Jesus affirms that they should be listened to as they read Moses’ law for it was the Scripture from God. But then Jesus tells the people not to act the way the Pharisees outside the seat of Moses “for they say, and do not do.” They went beyond the law of God and added many heavy legalisms as if they were commands from God in the taka-not which are “traditions of men” Jesus rebukes.
(Mar 7:8-9) For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
These “traditions” that Jesus is talking about are the “legalisms” many confuse for the Torah/law of God.
(Romans 13:8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
We are all loved by God so much that he has given the opportunity to those that are not part of his original tree, a chance to be grafted into the olive tree supported by its roots (Rom 11:17-18). But what does this mean? God’s perfect love has dissolved lines between Jew and Greek when residing in his House. Being adopted under God’s roof is something very special and not to be taken for granted. Do you think God is pleased with Christians that poke fun at the house of Israel or those people that seek to study Hebrew originated scriptural traditions and foundations? Do we ignore that Jesus was a Jew with Hebrew traditions that God gave them? Why do many talk the walk, but not walk the walk? What walk? Do you mean …Jesus’ walk? Do you mean the walk of Jesus the Jew? We are to walk like Jesus walked in life. He is our example on how to live. (1Jn 2:6) He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Jesus IS the light: (1 John 1:7) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Psalm 56:13; Psalm 89:15; Isaiah 2:5; John 8:12; John 12:35-36; 1Corinthians 11:1; Ephesians 2:10; Ephesians 5:1-2; 1John 3: 2-3)
It’s one thing to extol God’s grace, recognizing that He loves on our good days and our bad days and that our relationship with Jesus is not measured by our latest spiritual accomplishment. But it’s another thing entirely to be polluted by the world in the name of liberty and to exalt the flesh in the name of freedom. Paul warned about this plainly, writing, (Gal 5:13)”You, brothers, have been called to liberty. Only do not use liberty to give an opportunity to the flesh, but by love serve one another”.
Peter warned about it as well, writing, (1 Pet 2:16)”As free people, do not use your liberty as a covering for evil, but live as servants of God”.
But there’s something even worse than abusing the freedom we have in Jesus, which, for the record, is freedom from sin, not to sin.
(Mat 11:30) “For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Yes, the liberty of free will, to carry the light yolk of Jesus. Love is not burdensome and encompasses the commands of God and is much easier than all those additions made by man that complicate God’s law. (1 John 5:3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. Just think how heavy the numerous laws that men make. The further from God you get, the more laws there are. There are over three million words in IRS tax code alone, not counting the laws of men for just about any activity you can think of. Jesus personally rebuked the Pharisees only outside of the seat of Moses mandating many complicated legalisms of men added as if it was scripture. God’s law is simple and it’s summed up with one word… LOVE!
It’s one thing to preach against legalism, which I define as externally imposed religion, meaning, laws without love, rules without relationship, and standards without a Savior. But many Christians do not embrace true love and confuse obedience [“love in deed”] for “legalism” when, the word “legalism” does not occur in the Bible. It is a term many Christians use to describe a doctrinal position emphasizing a justification for not using what Paul states is the “paidagogos” to point us to Jesus, but try to build a house without a foundation. We must have complete un-contradicting true love to have a stable structure. So called Christian proclaimed “Legalists” which I refer to as “believers”, live a strict literal contextual adherence to our unchanging God’s commands, and obedience out of love that leads us on the narrow path to God’s loving arms because we are given the liberty to do so. Jesus is our light, our guide, and the living word, and he is our example on how we should live. We must read the scripture and comprehend its literal context that states, precept upon precept.
(Isa 28:13) But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
“Precept” Stongs: H6673 tsav, tsawv From H6680; an injunction: – commandment, precept.
(Heb 9:19) For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law,
“Precept” Strongs: G1785; injunction, that is, an authoritative prescription: – commandment, precept.
Before Jesus died on the cross for the sins of man, were those that did die before him exempt from a chance at salvation? Was there a line between the tormented and those that were not? When we read (Luke 16:19–31) it shows that, prior to Christ’s resurrection, the scriptures describes the two realms: a place of comfort where Lazarus was (Abraham’s bosom/Abraham’s side) and a place of torment where the rich man was (hell). The place of torment is called “Gehenna” in the Greek. In (Mark 9:45). Between the two districts there was “a great chasm” (Luke 16:26). The fact that no one could cross this chasm indicates that, after death, one’s fate is sealed for judgment. There had to be a form of acknowledgement and weights and measures before the Salvation of Jesus. How did God know how to separate between those damned to the torment side and those in the “bosom” that would be sanctified by Jesus? The message that Jesus is delivering in this parable is that faith and grace has always existed even before Jesus and that we will be accountable for following the instructions given to Moses for God’s people in his house out of love. (Luke 16:31) And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Before Jesus, God knew his people had faith not because they proclaimed faith or love from their lips, but in their deed. God separates out those that obey him out of love.
What does God want? Love. Love guarantees belief and obedience but belief and obedience alone does not guarantee love. Should we obey God because Hell waits if we don’t, or should we obey God because we love him? Do our own children obey us because we have a “scriptural rod” or should they obey because they love us? “Believers” in the literal context of the living word have been accused of being opposed to grace, when it seems that those who are opposed to our unchanging God’s commands are being legalistic, and pointing out lawyer style justifications as to why they may “do as thou wilt” while traveling down the wide path agenda so they don’t have to give up their traditions of men and desires of the flesh. Are we really honest with our self? We do have liberty in the new covenant, the liberty to believe and love our heavenly Father. No longer under the curse (punishment) (Joh_8:11) of the law because we have faith in Jesus, and receiving God’s grace because Jesus is the living law that resides in our hearts and love encompasses all commands.
(Rom 6:23) For the wages of sin is death…
(1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
If you (1John 3:4) without repenting then you will receive the curse (punishment) or the wages there of.
Before Jesus, the wages of sin was death, usually by stoning. If you broke the law of God, you were killed. But as Jesus shows us the good news of the renewed covenant if we have faith in him, shown by our deed and not just our lips we are not under the punishment of the law which is death but have life through Jesus when we repent. Punishment of death for breaking the law represented the wages of sin being death in the physical and reveals a shadow of what punishment (hell) is to come in the spiritual without repentance, but with faith in Jesus we can accept the free gift, but we must “go and sin no more”. After accepting Jesus as the Messiah, it is then not a ticket for us to be able to (1John 3:4) as much as you see fit after calling on him into your heart.
(Heb 10:16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them
God writes it to renew your mind! (Romans 12:2)
Believers of the living word understand the purpose of the Law (paidagogos) and that it can not save you, but it is to lead us to Jesus the master teacher, and savior. Do you mean fundamental understanding first? Is that what many Christians do? Or do they try to jump straight to grace and don’t build the foundation for their house?
(Pro 19:2) Also, that the soul be without knowledge, it is not good; and he that hasteth with his feet sinneth.
What is a paidagogos? Pronounced pahee-dag-o-gos’. And do we use it or just say we used it to get to Jesus or, now that I am here its ok to put the cart before the horse and keep it that way? Most people don’t know that in Greek culture the paidagogos was a guardian usually a slave. There is no thought of schoolmaster in the original word, paidagogos. The word, paidagogos, is built like this: the Greek word for child is pais – p-a-i-s. And the genitive of it is paidos. The Greek word for “lead” is ago, and the Greek word for “leader” is agogos. And you put the word for pais, paidos, for “child,” with the word for “lead,” and that’s the Greek word paidagogos: “one who leads a child.” Lead a child to Jesus? Yes.
Now, the Greeks made a distinction, a very careful distinction between a paedagogue an “instructor, schoolmaster”, from a ho didaskalos, a “teacher,” and a paidagogos, a “tutor.” But a tutor, I’ll tell you what it means to the Greek and Romans. A paidagogos was the slave in the household of the Greek and Roman noble families that did many things including taking their child to the school teacher. When you research the Greek tasks of the paidagogos, he has full authority of the father given to the slave, including discipline, the guardianship and the care of the child. The child could not step out of the house without that paidagogos with him. The child could do nothing without that paidagogos, and the word co notates someone who is very stern and very severe. For example, in (1Corinthians 4:15), Paul uses the word paidagogos there. And when he uses it there, he makes a distinction between the paidagogoi, the plural, the paidagogos, and the father. As though the father were full of sympathy and understanding and love but the paidagogos was stern and unmoved, administering the exact rules laid out by the father.
(Gal 3:25) But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a paidagogos.
Faith means you believe with love not in lips but in deed. This verse is very important because we are made in God’s image, and it’s compared to the rules we have when we are children by our parents. The rod that was not spared to enforce the rules of Good parents provide a good foundation because they love their children and when children move out as adults, at that point they are no longer under or punished if they break those parental rules they had as children, but now as adults they have the liberty to carry them with them in their hearts and minds to be the people the parents taught them to be.
(Heb 8:6) But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was *established G3549 upon better promises
The Old Covenant of blessings and land (Hebrews 8:6-9) was upgraded by the Renewed Covenant with Jesus (Luke 22:20; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Hebrews 8:10; 8:13; 9:15; 12:24). The New Covenant with Jesus was “established G3549”…
*Strongs: G3549 nomotheteō to legislate, that is, to have (the Mosaic) enactments injoined, be sanctioned (by them): – establish, receive the law.
…upon better promises, because it fulfills the promises free from the penalty (is death) of the law (letter, physical) and the free gift of salvation and everlasting life (in the spirit). Remember God NEVER changes, before or after Jesus, because the wages of sin was and is always DEATH. Sin is clearly defined in the Renewed Testament and we are at liberty to decide if we want to pay those wages or allow Jesus to pay. It’s our choice. The Old Covenant was broken and a Renewed Covenant was made when Jesus died for our transgressions and the proof that it was “established G3549” has been proven by God to Israel and the world in 1948 that he “injoined” the Old into the New.
. When we have Love/faith in Jesus and accept the new covenant, we should not contradict love.
(2Jn 1:5) And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
(2Jn 1:6) And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, that, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
(1Jn 5:3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Jesus is the light, the way, the living word that “is written” and the example of how we are to live life.
According to scripture, how did Jesus walk?
– Jesus obeyed his Father’s commands completely out of love.
– Jesus taught against adding to God’s law (the legalisms and traditions of men)
– Jesus kept holy and rested on his Father’s set aside and sanctified seventh day.
– Jesus observed the Lord’s Feasts and appointed times.
– Jesus lived as a humble man and was crucified sinless so that we may use the blood from his death to cover the punishment we would have received from transgressing God’s first covenant. (“wages of sin is death” and “sin is the transgression of the law”)
Now that we know, we should walk like he did.
So why do people go to God with their cup already full of anything other than what He wants to provide, with no space for God to fill it with his answers? Why it is that people may have so much pride (Pro_29:23) they can not see the love or understand what love actually means. Love is not just a WORD or a feeling. When I look at my actions I try not to contradict love in any way.
So what does love have to do with it? Everything!
So glad to find Believers who study the Word for themselves. I love this Bible and so thankful to have read the books the church removed. The Bible has been so corrupted by man and the church for its own purposes. they will answer for this, but they really don’t get it. The church is not doing its job and will soon end. The Lord tells us in 2Corinthians to come out from among them and be ye separate, saith YAH, and touch not the unclean thing: and I will receive you. Instead, it is leading its sheep to the slaughter. Shalom1
Some really insightful replies here that I am thankful to have seen.
Have any of y’all even read or own a Cepher bible? Other than non canonical books included its the same scripture. So then, what do we do with non canon scripture? There are a lot of different views on that.
So, I enjoy it as an extra reference and usually rely on my good old KJV.
I see nothing in it that denies Jesus’s divinity nor anything denying the trinity…..and arguing about the Sabbath bears little fruit. Neither does arguing about ESV or NIV…..its like saying catholics are un-saved……ridiculous…..
God make thing plain while hiding things. The nation of Israel is very important to Christians.
No covenant he ever made was abrogated. Not the Adamic, not the Abrahamic, not the Mosaic, not the Davidic, and not the New Covenant……
Very disappointing critique of the Cepher, which I doubt the article writer actually read with any neutrality. As far as theology is concerned, does the article writer believe that the Torah, which is commonly translated as Law, has been abolished or done away with? If she follows the theology of Christianity that teaches this, then she is actually the one who is in danger for following a heretical and satanic doctrine. The reason I can say this is due to the many times the Messiah יהושע instructed to keep His commandments and that He did not come to destroy the Torah or the Prophets, but rather to fulfill them. Fulfill means to fully preach or make complete, which is exactly what John 1:17 was talking about.
As for the Hebrew Roots movement, there are a number of people that have gone down a path of heresy, but not as much as the theology of Christianity that teaches lawlessness and iniquity. For example, Christian theology teaches the Torah has been done away with, which contradicts what the Creator instructed throughout His Torah and through His prophets. Christian theology teaches to eat that which is abominable and unclean, twisting Scripture to justify the doctrine. Christian theology teaches to follow after other gods by observing pagan festivals and holidays while avoiding the Creator’s appointed times. Christians are not fulfilling Matthew 5:48 because they do not live according to the Father’s will or 1 John 2:6 because they do not walk in obedience as Messiah walked. So for the article writer to accuse Hebrew Roots people while ignoring Christian lawlessness is a bit hypocritical.
We know the New Testament was not originally written in Hebrew for several reasons, including that the authors mention what certain nouns meant in Hebrew, which they would not have done had they been writing in Hebrew.
And sadly, I’ve seen Hebrew Roots teachers who claimed to be scholars openly pervert the scriptures to deceive people into believing the Cepher Bible is accurate.
And if you ever read a message board of forum hosted by Hebrew Roots people, you’re NOT seeing all of the messages because I’ve witnessed well presented arguments against their doctrine get deleted and the authors get called sinners, trolls and then get banned.
It’s the Pharisees cult all over again.
Amy Spearman: It is obvious that you are extremely biased. And narrow minded. Why do you post this article again? I’ve had my Cepher Bible for a while now and I love it! In comparing the books in King James they parallel. Yes Cepher gives more details but they all fit. You need to read it so you can better understand what a lot of Christian churches are doing and how the words and philosophies are going to confusing to a lot of Christians. Remember…..Satan is the deceiver and the copier. Until you know more……you’ll will stay in your narrow little world. Do you know what the Gap theory is? Do you know what the Genesis 6 conspiracy is? Do you understand it? I don’t think you do.
You mention no one should listen or read etc. WND or Jonathan Cahn. You run down the Messianic movement but are you aware that there are 4 different Messianic movements? Maybe you should explore that. (And yes they aren’t all correct) But some are.. There is also a Torah follower movement that believes in the savior Jesus Christ, teaches redemption and asking G-d to forgive us our sins.
Why don'[t you spend your time examining the fact that “they” are trying to completely do away with the KJV. and trying to push all these translations that take stuff out of the Bible? You know in Genesis where it says that each to reproduce after it’s all kind. It’s been removed from the newest NIV that I’ve seen. Do you know why? It’s so people will accept the cloning and combining of genetics. It’s so chimera can be produced. Which is currently being done. And that is so against what the Bible really teaches. Do you know it’s the Popes goal this year to accomplish the joining together of all religions into one religion? That the pope wants to institute Sunday laws? That means forbidding worship on Saturday. The 7th day that G-d appointed and also said “Remember the 7th day….” And you know what? From the time I was a young girl I’ve believed Saturday should be the day we all keep…….I’m in my 70’a now and feel more strongly than ever. that G-d meant it when he said it!
I do read my Bible….daily….and do a lot of studying. I love the KJV (even with all that was removed from it) and I love the Cepher also.
Why don’t you investigate the fact that Berean Book store on line is on a list that sells Catholic books and materials? And there are a lot more Christian Bible book stores doing the same.
Quit running down WND and Jonathan Cahn and the Cepher Bible. I’ve listened to almost all of Cahn’s video’s and you know what? He says we have to ask forgiveness and invite Christ into our hearts. He gives a lot of Bible history and a lot of background.
My prayers are for everyone here….you have to have an open mind and the more you know the stronger you will be spiritually. The more you grow spiritually the more you’ll be able to see all the twisting that is going on in most Christian churches because the church leaders themselves need to also know more than what they were taught in seminary and need start making church be the Repentance and saving churches that once abounded in our country.
We are in the last days. Remember the angel telling Daniel to seal up the books because they were for the last generation? Did you know that the book of Enoch says that it was written for the end time generation? Did you know the book of Enoch is quoted about three or four hundred tines in KJV? Did you know that there were two Enoch’s? One was Cains son. He was rebellious and did NOT follow the wordsor ways of G-d. And yes there are other books of Enoch that are wrong. The one in the Cepher is the one written by Enoch who was of the line of Adam.
As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the end days. How would you know what it was like in the days of Noah if you didn’t study about that. KJV gives very little of that. Or how about there were Giants in the earth in those days? Do you know about the giants? Other than they were in Canaan? Lots to learn about in the books that were left out of KJV. G-d is just waiting to reveal it to all of us.
Again Prays for everyone
Sharon,
From the article, “This is a “Bible” endorsed by the Hebrew Roots movement which has teachings denying the Trinity and in many cases, the deity of Christ. ” ….and you do not take issue with that?!? Then you call Amy narrow minded and biased – aren’t you biased as well? It’s ok for you to be biased and defend a book that denies the essential truths like the deity of Christ and the triune God? Sounds like the typical double standard used by those who defend what goes against the bible and God.
Do you know why Christ told Nicodemus ‘ye must be born again’? Because without this new birth that supernaturally comes by the Holy Spirit to God’s elect, you can never understand/comprehend biblical truth. Without this new birth, you will do just as you’ve done…defend what is erroneous and falsely accuse what is truth and those who uphold it.
May God open your eyes and give you ears to hear….
Lyn: With due respects. The premise of wanting to get back to Hebrew Roots and Christs teachings is not bad. The world has distorted many things including the Bible. I’m referring to the newer translations that are steering people into the one world church. ruled by the Antichrist.
There are several fake Messianic churches just as there are false Protestant churches.leading to the slippery slope of not realizing or catching some of the “twisted” interpretations. But to label all people and all Messianic churches as such is wrong. Many churches today totally or partially ignore teachings in the Old Testament.
A Christian who does NOT know any Hebrew can possibly get the idea that Hebrew Roots or Torah Followers or Messiaiaic’s are all bad, Did you know that in Hebrew one of the spellings of the Hebrew word for G-d has in the middle a letter that looks like a nail that signifies Christ nailed to the cross? I’m only beginning to learn Hebrew but am finding lots of neat facts like that.
I have not found anywhere in the Cepher that denies Christ died for our sins. Some Messianic churches are/were formed by Jewish people and I believe some of them are teaching that Christ was “only” a prophet.. However there are many online Jewish sites that are Messianic and do preach salvation comes from Christ.
It irks me that while Amy Spearrman is right on a lot of things that she bashes so hard things that I’ve seen and heard from people she condemns. that she is wrong about.
I’ve been Christian for my whole life. Yes I’ve made mistakes and for a while went through a back slidden period in my younger years but in my more than 70 years have had a lot of time to learn many things on what you could term “religious” topics.
Yes it upsets me that there are churches that don’t teach salvation through Christ. And it upsets me that people can be so misled so easily. But it also irks me that many people read this site and it would be wrong to steer these people away from something that is actually good. Be wary yes,,,,,,but people should always pray for G-d to lead them. Pray over the computer and ask that your computer directs you to the right sites. And hey if they’re teaching wrong….don’t bother with them. Because there are several Messianic sites that are right. And you know what? On those sites where you can comment? It’s amazing how many Christian people have said…, “I prayed and G-d led me here!” there was a site that I used to get into many Biblical discussions with others. And many were Messianic and didn’t hide the fact..but they were all taught to accept Christ to repent and believe in the Holy Spirit as coming from G-d/Christ. And these sites usually had a few people who were Catholic or…..whatever…. and the “:born again” theme was told to the non believers over and over. by those who were Messiani and other Christians. Guess Google or whoever didn’t like the religion and Bible we were quoting because for some reason I was blocked and evidently they were too because their posts are no longer being posted. Funny we all disappeared at the same time. Then again “us Messianics” have seen a lot of Non believers and x-Catholics say they were thankful for what we posted. Many conversion stories showed up.
But in defense of Hebrew Roots movements the premise is good and many such Hebrew Roots and Torah Followers do believe and teach Jesus Christ, Salvation, and the Holy Spirit. To condemn them all is wrong.
And I ask myself why do people bash so harshly something they don’t really know about?
You know…. as a child reading my Bible I saw things like the Commandment of keeping the 7th Day, and about the giants and myriads of other questions. and over all my growing up years always got the same answers. “Well find out when we get to Heaven.” Or we keep Sunday because Christ rose on Sunday.: No where does it say in the KJV that the day of worship was changed to the first day of the week. Christ said keep the Commandments.. If you love me you will follow my ways. “In the end times this will be a sign unto me… that you keep the Commandments (7th day). Read in the Old Testament about the Festivals like Passover etc. G-d says these days shall be holy days for ALL generations. They are for perpetuity….. etc. Christ kept those Holy Days. Then I got into the Holidays of Christmas and Easter and all the pagan symbols and Christs/God’s teachings that we are NOT to have anything to do with Paganism. Christ was not born on Dec. 25th. It’s these reasons and others just as valid that lead me to Hebrew Roots. Believe me I will have nothing to do with false teachings. And a really good Messianc church I attended for a while was really good until they switched Bibles to one that eliminated the male and female. I was out of there after that. Sorry that’s changing the WORD! And then realizing that there are books mentioned in KJV some of them OT and some NT that are NOT in the KJV. So…..another study on the Bible and the history and the hows and whys and the translations……and guess what? Those books are full of the history of events that are not detailed in KJV, Many teaches say NOT to read those books. Why? Because they answer questions the Bible doesn’t answer or explain. But again these books deny nothing that is in KJV,
While I haven’t yet had time to read the whole book of Enoch…I have read part of it and have listened to several sermons on that book. Did you know that the book of Enoch was/is quoted about 400 times in KJV? If it’s quoted so many times and Even red letter words are quotes from the book of Enoch. why should it have been removed from our Bible? And the other books are also quoted in KJV.
I have however started a comparison study of side by side reading of the Cepher and KJV. I’m into the book of Numbers and find so few deviations they aren’t worth mentioning. Usually it’s just parts of sentences changed around, But when studying other portions of the Bible pull out the Cepher and compare. they’re always the same. Yes the names of everyone are kept in the Hebrew names but their Hebrew names have translations that mean something. Usually something descriptive about that person which get’s totally lost in English or Greek.
Then consider that the Cepher is a translation directly from the scrolls found in the Qumran caves. they haven’t been “tampered” with. Even the books of the NT were there along with several other books that were also put into the Cepher,
So how can Amy Spearman so vehemently condemn it or the whole Hebrew Roots. Messianic thing? There have also been sermons on how to detect false doctrines. They have enlightened me. And there are books that are extra Biblical that aren’t in line with KJV, and teach totally opposite on some things. But they do have good historical facts in them and when you read them from a historical standpoint not a Biblical necessarily standpoint you do gain understanding, discernment and knowledge.
And there are many to stay away from. The Cepher is not one of them. Hebrew Roots is not necessarily wrong either. But you can always go back to KJV (usually) and get what it says.
And I’m just defending or hopefully rebutting what Amy Spearman says on this particular subject.
Now back to the Cepher. Cepher is primarily based on the Paleo Hebrew. It’s a more “complicated” form of Biblical Hebrew. It’s goal as stated on their site is accurate translation of the oldest known copies of the Bible. Where the discrepancies sometimes creep in would be because some Hebrew words have many synonyms and so far as I know there is one letter that is written two ways. It could be pronounced as a “B” or also pronounced as a V. But there is a letter that is just V sound all by itself. .If it’s a “B: it has one meaning and if it’s a B that is pronounced like a V it has a different meaning. Confusing, But it’s tiny little marks within the letter B that tells you how to pronounce it. Hebrew is picture language. Each letter represents a “concept” or a noun. It is said that if a person couldn’t read but understood what the pictures were they could read the whole Bible or Torah just by looking at the “pictures” and get the same meaning that the written sentence is conveying.
And you know what? there are people who have written and said” I was raised Christian and lost interest” or felt there was” something missing” or any of several different reasons or experiences. Some have even gone so far as to say they totally lost their belief in G-d and then came the Hebrew Roots movement and through things they learned have been re-inspired to lead a Christian life.and accept Christ back into their lives..That is good!
On this particular subject I wish Amy Spearman would change her mind.because even in Cepher the story of Pentecost is the same as in KJV. And how many people could benefit and have better understanding or spirit filled life with knowledge of Hebrew Roots and books found in the Cepher.
I don’t think I’m biased. I’m Christian, have KJV and have experienced and feel pretty thoroughly studied the Hebrew Roots thing and the Cepher thing.
Maybe I should end this with “People think for yourselves, Ask for G-d’s guidance and before you believe that a person who is discouraging you from something you want to investigate or learn about,.look into or listen to someone with an opposite point of view.
G=d bless you all.
***correction. Should have put Ivriyt in place of Paleo
and teaches further down meant to put teachers.
Again I have studied the various Hebrew Roots teachings It adds a lot of dimension to what KJV teaches.
There is no trinity, and never was!
In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, refers to one name.
There is only one God, and God is one.
The Father’s name, is in the Son’s name, who sends the Holy Spirit in his name.
And that name is not Jesus!
You have a great deal of work to do…
“There is no trinity, and never was!”
You must be a follower of TD Jakes………..
“In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, refers to one name.”
This is so ridiculously wrong, and believing this damning heresy negates and belittles Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross!
I have read where the editor of The Cepher Bible is referred to as “a Bible scholar” He has no degrees in theology, or Biblical languages. He only has a “limited working proficiency in Hebrew” Bible scholar, “Hardly” Dr. Pidgeon denies the Trinity. It looks to me that he is in the same camp as Thomas above. I know of no Orthodox Biblical scholar, or Historian that accept Dr. Pidgeon’s theory of a Acts Chapter 29.
“Who were the translators of the CEPHER?
Most of our work was transliteration, rather than translation. The translations were accomplished through Strong’s concordance, with cross references to other translation software programs, to the extent that translation was used. We relied on existing English translations which were in the public domain (Tyndale, the 1611 KJV, the Stephanus Textus Receptus, and the Masoretic Hebrew) as foundational texts. New translations were had only in a few locations: the Song of Solomon, and Zechariah 5 are the two major departures, and they were derived from the Masoretic text. The conclusion concerning Matthew 1 was done in accord with Peshita, and the conclusion in Matthew 23 was first reached by Nechemiah Gordon in reliance on the Shem Tov gospel of Matthew.
Both the Preface of the book (click the SEE INSIDE link on our home page) and the “Our Story” page provide detailed information about the process and the individuals involved. This project has been a labor of love that originated from a genuine calling by YAHUAH and the guidance of the RUACH HAQODESH; neither of which required a specialized degree from a theological seminary or a Hebrew university. In truth, YAHUAH has long been using similarly uncredentialled men and women to accomplish his kingdom purposes, so it should come as no surprise to anyone that he has once again done so in choosing us to publish the את CEPHER
http://www.cepher.net/who-were-the-translators-of-the-cepher.aspx
Reading the statement above from those that actually wrote the uninspired abomination, claiming personal revelation and inspiration shows the heresy, the deceit and arrogance of the authors. They’re playing modern day apostles! They actually have the gall to write this “he has once again done so in choosing us to publish the את CEPHER.”
Unbelievable!
James: I have the Cepher and I have been on the Cepher site. Plagiarize means to take someone else’s writings and claim them as your own. Using someone else’s writings and info is okay if the person (or persons) give credit to who wrote it.
Pidgeon does have degrees so he is obviously educated and capable of thinking. To his credit, and it was one of the many reviews I read, Dr. Frank Seekins who for more than 30 years is a true scholar of the Hebrew language also endorsed the Cepher and said it was the MOST correct of any books he had read.
Like many people I had studied and read my KJV and it left me with many questions which over the years, and from the time I was 8 yrs.old got the standard “That’s a mystery of the Bible that will be answered when we get to heaven.” Or…We worship on the first day of the week because Christ rose on the first day of the week. Yet nowhere in the Bible could I find that Christ or G-d changed the day of worship. In fact it says that keeping the Sabbath, the 7th day is a sign that we are following G-d. (and not following in the footsteps of pagans.) or how about the answer “We don’t know what happened between the OT and the NT”. Well hello! how about the books of Maccabees!
I’ve studied the history of the Bible and how it was compiled. I love the KJV and use it as a standard of measure. The Cephar contains books that even are quoted from and omitted from our KJV, What is wrong with reading those books that were quoted from? Books that answer questions left in KJV,
How about in Daniel where he is told to seal up the books for they are meant for the end times? How do you reconcile that the book of Enoch states at the beginning that it is a book for the END TIMES! Those statements there are telling you that more will be revealed or told in the end times. How do you not wonder what exactly was meant in Genesis where it says “There were giants on the earth in those days and after (the time of Noah) …..and so shall it be in the end times.
Why did G-d see to it that earlier copies of books in Bible were preserved for thousands of years to be found in the Qumran caves? And in Ethiopia? And other places. Are they all the inspired works and teachings of G-d? No but they give insight into history that has been lost of kept from us. There is a great deception yet to come. We are to be prepared for it spiritually and intellectually if we are to realize and detect it so we don’t fall into it’s snare.
I believe G-d is making HIS people aware of it and preparing us for whatever comes for we truly don’t know the hour of HIS return. It is our goal to return to G-d our creator when “our” time comes. Christ came to show us the way. Christ is the way!
So yes I will stand up and defend the Cepher, ( and the Hebrew Roots movement) and G-d’s word. I will try however I can to point out to people that I think they are wrong on some things and hurting themselves but not gaining more knowledge and understanding.
You and others are shooting the messenger.
I might also add that prophecies say the Jews and the Gentiles will come together in the end times. I believe that means there will be a joining of all who are Christ believers and followers of both the OT teachings and NT teachings.
I’ve been on many sites and the numbers of people who are being saved, and who have returned to Christ are amazing because of the Hebrew Roots movement. Are there false Messianic movements? Yes because the devil is the great deceiver. Are there true Messianic and Hebrew Roots movements? Yes! Grouping them together as 1 group and saying all are wrong because there are some wrong ones is a gross error.
James. In my opinion and understanding a scholar is someone who is studying or has studied in depth many different or extensive study in one field. Pidgeon has a Ph.D. and has written much.
He has studied Hebrew which is evident when you read his writings.
There is a man named Dr. Frank Seekins who has spent over 30 years studying researching and teaching Hebrew and Hebrew word pictures. Dr. Seekins has posted on the internet his recommendation and endorsement of the Cepher. Wish I could remember where I found that as it was one of the factors influencing my decision to purchase a copy.
I’ve read Pidgeons blog on line of the Holy Spirit. I can not find or discern that he negates the trinity. In fact he even quotes verses from the Old Testament. attesting to the fact that there IS a holy spirit.
The 29th chapter of Acts: I’ve read it. Have you? the 29th chapter is found in older copies of the Book of Acts. It’s not found in newer versions. I see no reason why it should not have been included in King James Version.
Enough of this nit picking over the qualifications of the person/persons who compiled the Cepher. What really matters is the message contained in the Holy Written Scriptures. And the whole King James Bible is included in the Cepher. What’s to argue about that?
We all grow spiritually. We are all at different stages of growth. Our growth and knowledge evolve as we study THE WORD! Our understanding of how awesome our G-d really is increases as we learn more.
To those who bash reading or having the Cepher I ask do you not read other study books? Do you yourselves pray and ask G-d to give you understanding? And yes, your understanding changes and grows as you yourself grow.
My view is that we should be speaking out against the newer translations that remove the truth and knowledge from G-d’s word. We should not be bashing something that includes more of G-d’s word.
Shalom
Great article describing the core of Hebrew Roots:
https://churchwatchcentral.com/2016/09/23/what-is-the-hebrew-roots-movement/
“There have always been those who balk at the idea of God’s salvation being offered freely to those who believe. They reason that such a grand gift as forgiveness from such a holy God must require some kind of payment from us. We thank God for His grace, but we understand that He expects us to somehow earn that grace—in other words, there must be something that we can do to pay off the debt we owe to God.
In the early church, those who taught a combination of God’s grace and human effort were called “Judaizers.” The word Judaizer comes from a Greek verb meaning “to live according to Jewish customs.” The word appears in Galatians 2:14 where Paul describes how he confronted Peter for forcing Gentile Christians to “Judaize.”
A Judaizer taught that, in order for a Christian to truly be right with God, he must conform to the Mosaic Law. Circumcision, especially, was promoted as necessary for salvation. Gentiles had to become Jewish proselytes first, and then they could come to Christ. The doctrine of the Judaizers was a mixture of grace (through Christ) and works (through the keeping of the Law). This false doctrine was dealt with in Acts 15 and strongly condemned in the book of Galatians.
At the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15, a group of Judaizers opposed Paul and Barnabas. Some men who belonged to the party of the Pharisees insisted that Gentiles could not be saved unless they were first circumcised and obeyed the Law of Moses. Paul made the case that, in Christ, there was no longer any distinction between Jew and Gentile, for God had purified the hearts of the Gentiles by faith (Acts 15:8–9). He said it plainly in Galatians 2:16: “A man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.”
To add anything to the work that Christ did for salvation is to negate God’s grace. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, not by returning to the Law. “I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing” (Galatians 2:21).
There are many groups today with beliefs/practices very similar to the Judaizers of the New Testament. The two most prominent would be the Hebrew Roots Movement and the Roman Catholic Church. The teachings of the Hebrew Roots Movement are virtually identical to those of the Judaizers whom Paul rebuked in Galatians. A primary focus of the Hebrew Roots Movement is to put followers of Christ back under the bondage of the Old Testament Law.
The Roman Catholic Church teaches a doctrine similar to that of the Judaizers of the New Testament in this way: its doctrine is a mixture of law and grace. At the Council of Trent in the 16th century, the Catholic Church explicitly denied the idea of salvation by faith alone. Catholics have always held that certain sacraments are necessary for salvation. The issues for the 1st-century Judaizers were circumcision and Sabbath-keeping. The issues for modern-day Catholics are baptism, confession, etc. The works considered necessary may have changed, but both Judaizers and Catholics attempt to merit God’s grace through the performance of ritualistic acts.
First Timothy 4:3 says that, in later times, false teachers will “forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.” This sounds suspiciously close to some of the teachings of Roman Catholicism, which requires priests to be celibate (“forbidding to marry”) and proclaims some food to be off-limits during Lent (“abstaining from certain foods”).The Judaizers upheld the Mosaic Law as necessary for salvation; Catholics uphold man-made tradition as necessary; both view Christ’s death as being insufficient without the active and continued cooperation of the one being saved.
The Bible is clear that the attempt to add human works to God’s grace overlooks the very meaning of grace, which is “undeserved blessing.” As Paul says, “If by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace” (Romans 11:6). Praise the Lord, “Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery” (Galatians 5:1).”
I see so many parallels between Romanism and Hebrew Roots Movement.
“And the Child grew and became strong in spirit, filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.” Luke 2:40
If the very meaning of grace is “undeserved blessing”, as you said, then why, according to Luke 2:40 was the grace of God upon Him?
Are you suggesting that the Son was undeserving of the Father’s blessing? Are you sure you know what grace means, or, to be more precise, do you really know what the word that was translated as ‘grace’ really means?
Excellent insight Manny! I too see “arrogance” within the HRM. Here is what Dr. Stephen Pidgeon says concerning his book “A Red Horse”, taken from his LinkedIn entry:
“My latest book concerning the War To Come”. “This book is packed with vital information and Scriptural understanding available ‘nowhere else in the world”
Isn’t it amazing James! If you go to the Cepher site, they openly admit :
“This project has been a labor of love that originated from a genuine calling by YAHUAH and the guidance of the RUACH HAQODESH; neither of which required a specialized degree from a theological seminary or a Hebrew university. In truth, YAHUAH has long been using similarly uncredentialled men and women to accomplish his kingdom purposes, so it should come as no surprise to anyone that he has once again done so in choosing us to publish the את CEPHER”
A genuine calling! Yet they admit they plagiarized many versions, and added what they thought was correct by a bunch of people that are marginally competent to handle history, the Hebrew language and have brought forth a document that misleads and denegrates what Jesus did on the cross! Such hypocrisy, they claim all versions are flawed and only theirs based on the “flawed” is genuine! Plus they claim that Jesus once again chose a new set of “apostles” (them) to rewrite the bible! What utter garbage! It’s outrageous! How anyone can say with a straight face these judaizers are nothing but! Preaching a different gospel and a different Jesus!
“YAHUAH has long been using similarly uncredentialled men and women to accomplish his kingdom purposes,”
But He who commissioned the apostles to write down scripture, through the power of The Holy Spirit was Jesus Christ! One of His titles is The Word! Jesus accredited these men! Their miracles proved that accreditation was true! Yet the Cepher accreditation appeals to the author’s claim that he was chosen by God!
This is the same claim stated by Rome! Extraordinary Revelation and authority!
Manny: So let me restate what you wrote. I’m saved by Faith, Jesus Christ died for my sins, I’m forgiven for anything I choose to do. Let’s see….that means I can rob, I can murder or lie or steal or be promiscuous and still be saved because while doing all those “sins” I am believing in my heart and mind that Jesus is the son of G-d and his blood cleanses us and he died on the cross. You’re saying in effect that I can put myself first and do anything I want. I can be doing all those things AFTER ACCEPTING Jesus and I’m still forgiven. You know as well as I do that my life would be shortened and not very pleasant from reaping those seeds which would lead to my destruction on this earth. Christ came so that we could have an abundant healthy life. You know…those who live by the sword….
It was the laws of Numbers and Leviticus that were negated at the cross. When you look at the list of things that were included as being sins like how far a person could walk in a day. How about the one of picking up dirt in your hands and spitting in it to make mud…which was forbidden on the Sabbath. Do you realize that when Christ healed the blind man on the Sabbath that he was telling the rabbi’s and Pharisees that those laws were wrong? First he made the mud then he told the blind to go to the river and then to walk back to the synagogue. All this on the Sabbath. All were in direct “violation” of what they considered to be laws so they could get to heaven. But Christ lived the 10 commandments. Paul himself and wish I could remember where I recently read it….said THIS IS IT! These 10 commandments are all there are to follow. (Yes in KJV) There is a difference between laws and commandments. It was the laws of the Jewish religion that were negated. Not the 10 commandments.
Don’t eat certain foods. Okay but G-d does distinguish between clean and unclean. It’s basically the animals that are scavengers that are considered unclean.
Yes there are many things in Jewish Roots that expand on Christianity as we know it today. Let’s see and I do agree with you on Catholicism. But how many of the Catholic teachings have been adopted by the Christian churches? Did you know that at one time in U.S. history that the celebrating of Christmas and Easter were outlawed? Passover or Resurrection Day was observed Now why do you suppose that was? Did you know that at one time Catholics were not allowed to immigrate into the country. It was done by the true Christians who first migrated to our country who knew and were aware of the many pagan practices involved with celebrating those days and the Catholic church. The Puritans were not Jewish and they weren’t Catholic.
Well in reading my Bible I’m taught NOT to follow the pagans or have anything to do with pagan religions.
Getting back to Pidgeon. He is honest in describing who he and his friends are. He is honest at telling you what he changed and why. But that does NOT negate the validity of the books included in his collection. He is NOT passing himself off as being the final word. He is honestly stating that in those places that is his and their opinions.
There are just as many mistakes in King James translation that need to be recognized. And I think that we as discerning and studious, conscientious Christians should be questioning certain things and delving further into them. .
Another big difference here. Catholicism seeks to rule the world. In past history they have forced and put to death people who would NOT adhere to “their religion”. Sounds a lot like the Islam’s to me. The Jewish people don’t kill if you’re not Jewish. Christ said go into all the world and preach the gospel. And if the apostles and disciples were rejected Christ said leave them and shake the dust of their ground off your feet. He also said not to cast pearls before sine.
We as individuals have a choice. I just happen to disagree with your opinion on Ceoher.and hope you will at least think.
Shalom
Show me where I wrote this…..
“’m saved by Faith, Jesus Christ died for my sins, I’m forgiven for anything I choose to do.”
That’s cheap grace! It’s not real! It’s fake and it shows anyone who believes that hasn’t been truly born again!
The issue is not what you do, the issue is the veracity of the Cepher, and the attack on scripture! Nothing else ! Please don’t build a strawman argument to prove a non-existent point.
Ironically they seek to establish a greater godliness by identifying or even “becoming” Jewish, when in Jesus Christ there’s no such thing as Jew or Gentile!
None other that ungodly Wikipedia puts it this way:
“Judaizers
Judaizers is a term for Christians who insist that their co-religionists should follow the Law of Moses. This term is most widely known from its single use in the Greek New Testament (Galatians 2:14)[1] where Paul publicly challenges Peter for compelling gentile converts to Early Christianity to “judaize”,[2] also known as the Incident at Antioch.
This term includes groups who claim the necessity of continued obedience to the Law of Moses found in the first five books of the Old Testament.[3] Members of such groups, notably the Seventh-day Adventist Church, dispute the use of the term because “Judaizers” is typically used as a pejorative.
Most Christians believe that much of the Old Covenant has been superseded, while some modern Protestants believe it has been completely abrogated and replaced with the Law of Christ. The Christian debate over Judaizing began in the lifetime of the apostles, notably at the Council of Jerusalem and the Incident at Antioch. It has been carried on parallel to continuing debates about Paul the Apostle and Judaism, Protestant views of the Ten Commandments, and Christian ethics.”
Galatians 3:1-3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Tauri is asking us to be Bereans while he tries to bewitch us with the Law which Paul tells us came 430 years after Abraham (Gal 3:17). The Law was given to Israel through Moses (Deut 4:7-8, Deut 5:1-3, Deut. 4:7-8; Ps. 147:19-20; Mal. 4:4) not Abraham, Isaac or Jacob (Deut 5:2) nor was it for gentiles (Acts 15:23-24, Rom 2:14).
Abraham did not follow a Law that was not given him. He obeyed God by faith. Sarah, Abraham’s wife, was Abraham’s father’s daughter (Gen 20:11-12) this kind of marriage is forbidden in the Law of Moses (Lev 20:17). It’s just goes against so much scripture to say that Abraham followed a Law given 430 years later that scripture calls the Law of sin and death (Rom 8:2) ministry of death and condemnation (2 Cor 3:7-9) the power of sin (1Cor 15:56) a bondwoman (Gal 4:24)hand writing of ordinances against you (Col 2:14-15) a wall of partition (Eph 2:15).
In John 17:19-24 Jesus points out that circumcision a sign of the Covenant made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the Sabbath was the sign of the Covenant with Moses—the Law and the Pharisees would violate the Law to circumcise if the 8th day was a Sabbath. Abraham’s covenant greater than Moses’ (Gal 3:15-18) and Jesus Christ is the promised seed of the Abrahamic Covenant.
So what was Paul message to the Bereans that they were so noble to search scripture for? The same he preached at Thessalonica —Acts 17:2-3 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ.” —He preached Christ crucified according to scripture (as did Christ on the road to Emmaus Lk 24:13-27) he did not preach the Law of Moses, they were Jews and knew the Law of Moses, they didn’t have to search for the Law, trying to keep the Law and thinking they were made them miss Jesus the Messiah in the OT.
Righteousness does not come from the Law (Gal 2:21) justification is not through the Law (Rom 3:20-21; Gal 2:16; Gal 3:11) but by faith (Rom 3:28; Gal 2:16; Gal 3:11). The Law was to point to Christ (Gal 3:24-25). Anyone pointing you to the Law is not pointing you to Christ!
Galatians 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?— the Law pointed to Jesus Christ!
Amen and amen!!!
Hi Manny. Hope all is well. My reference to John 17 should be John 7:19-24 (brain cramp).
Hello RS, I hope you and yours are well! As always you hit the proverbial nail on the head! Thank you for standing up for His word!
Greetings, Sharon, here are a few observations concerning your reply to my entry. Concerning Dr. Stephen Pidgeon, his degrees are in Law, and Philosophy. I mentioned this in my entry of June 10th.”He has a limited working proficiency in Hebrew” You mentioned Dr. Frank Seekins.He does not have an earned Doctorate at all. It is honorary “Doctor of Divinity” It would be interesting to see who offered this Doctorate. These degrees are thrown around all over the place. Concerning the Trinity, this is what I received from Dr. Pidgeon’s organization: “Concerning the Trinity, that’s what we were all taught in Sunday School, but we’ve had to clarify much of our doctrine to line up with what Scripture says rather than adhering to the traditions of men” This individual than gives me two illustrations, resembling MODALISM. Another point of concern is that neither Dr. Pidgeon nor Seekins, have a “statement of faith” Concerning Acts Chapter 29,taken from the “Sonnini manuscript” this theory has been debunked by noted Biblical scholars. May I asked where did you receive your information concerning Acts Chapter 29?
The Eth Cepher is the real deal people dont be led astray by awareness lacking individuals in the comment thread! It’s not called a “Bible” because Bible is not the proper term for the Holy Book inspired by Elohim. Many new ancient manuscripts have been discovered and the cepher is a up to date with the discovery. The scribes and the Papacy have perverted Gods word for 2000 years and we finally are waking up with the help of the internet.
We are using the wrong Old Testament. It’s not the one the apostles handed to the churches which the Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church still uses and has preserved by uninterrupted and exclusive use.
God never promised to preserve His Scripture through the Masoretic Text alone.
St. Justin Martyr (AD 100-165) stated that the scribes [rabbis] deliberately removed, altered or distorted Messianic verses in their Scriptures (Dialogue with Trypho, 71–73), as did St. Irenaeus (AD 130–210) (Against Heresies, 3.21.1).
90% the New Testament’s approximately 250 direct quotations of the Old Testament agree with the Greek Old Testament but the majority disagree with the Masoretic Text.
Comparisons between the Bible and the Septuagint ecclesia.org/truth/comparisons.html
Proverbs Comparisons – The Bible and Septuagint ecclesia.org/truth/proverbs.html
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